Mr. Fehrenbach.

at and there was Lawson Jaffe at the top, I think he was the first one, I don't believe I can put them right directly in order and I can only remember the first four or five.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us how many names were there altogether would you estimate on this list?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

There must have been 100, 150, three pages of them typewritten and how many names they could get on one page I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us who the names were on the list?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

The first One I can remember there was Lawson Jaffe, Herb and Morton Pazol, Morton Standt and Shuster's name, and I can't remember what his first name was.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you say he was in the clothing business?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

He was in the clothing business.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this a garment workers union that was upstairs?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Or a clothing workers union?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I don't believe it was garment workers. The only one that I can think of that it might have been was the automotive workers union hall. I don't even know why I think that because that is the only one that I can think of that could have been up there.

Mr. Griffin.

What industries were there in Muncie at the time?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, there was Borg-Warner Corp., Chevrolet, Delco-Remy, Ball Brothers, who made Ball fruit jars.

Mr. Griffin.

Is the automobile industry the big industry in Muncie?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

That was the biggest one I would say.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there any clothing manufacturers?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

That I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

How about the electrical industry? Was there the electrical industry

Mr. Fehrenbach.

There wasn't at that time; no, or to the best of my knowledge, there wasn't.

Mr. Griffin.

Any heavy industry such as steel mills or--

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; there were several factories but like I said most of them were all either making parts for automobiles or--there was no assembly plants there but it was all--

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us any other names you remember on the list.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, Seymour Jasson and Max and Harry Pritcher was on there, and if I remember correctly, although I can't swear to this, but it seems to me that Jack Rubenstein was on there, sixth or seventh doom on the list.

Mr. Griffin.

What makes you think that the name Jack Rubenstein was on there?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, there was another man whose name wasn't Rubenstein, it was Rosenstein, I believe, Rosenstein I had never heard of or I never met, I had heard of him but I had never met him. But Rubenstein I had met on two or three different occasions and when I seen it it more or less, wondered at the time if he was actually a member, because he had never said anything to me concerning it. But there was a Jack, and this is one reason why I say it was Jack Rubenstein because I can't recall what Rosenstein's name was but it wasn't Jack, and this fellow's name was Jack.

Mr. Griffin.

What you remember most clearly is that on this list there was a man whose name was Jack?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Right; and then the rest of it started with an "R" and there was a "stein" on the end of it and that was as far as I got. I laid it back down and I got to thinking about it and I said, "Well, Lawson Jaffe, you give me a bad time and I will just give you a bad time," so I picked it up, folded it up, put it inside my shirt and took the chair down to the shop and I thought I would give this to the FBI.
They were in Indianapolis and I suppose I should have called them long distance and told them I had it but I didn't, and Merv Collins was the chief of detectives and also my wife's uncle and I thought I would give it to him and he would give it to them so he was the man I gave it to.