Mrs. Kaminsky.

called me or I called her. She was going to call at the house. We called it "the other house."

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

And I said to her, "Tell Hyman he left his glasses here." He had been there for dinner. He had had some throat surgery, just been out of the hospital a day and I remember he asked me to prepare some kind of foods for him.

Mr. Griffin.

What did Eva say to you when--when she talked to you on the telephone?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

She said--I remember this. I felt--she says, "You know, I feel worse about this than when Pa died," and we did because my father was 89, you know, and it [President Kennedy] was a man really in the prime of his life.

Mr. Griffin.

If I understand your testimony, you talked with Eva Friday evening and some mention was made that Eva would call Hyman?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes; she said something that she was going to call him and I said, "Well, don't forget to tell him he left his glasses at my house." I am sure it was that night.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

We talked about this when' I was down in Dallas and she says, "Don't you remember I called you?" I says, "Well, I thought I called you." Of course, we could check it, I suppose, to see who called who.

Mr. Griffin.

How about the conversation that you have Just related about Hyman and the glasses? This is something that you remembered on your own or did somebody have to remind you of that?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I think Eva reminded me. She said, "Don't you remember. to tell"--Well, we call him "Mess." It is a nickname "that he left his glasses." I says, "Oh, that's right." I mean, you know, it didn't.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, originally, when you talked to Eva, did you have any recollection of the telephone conversation at all with Eva?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I didn't understand that.

Mr. Griffin.

When you first talked with Eva.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes; that night?

Mr. Griffin.

No; when you later talked with her down in Dallas.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any recollection at all that you had--you are the one that called her or that you had talked with her?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

On Friday night?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes, yes. I knew I had talked because I remember distinctly the remark that she said, "Eileen, I feel worse about this than when Pa died."

Mr. Griffin.

But the remark about Hyman and the glasses was one that she had to remind you about?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Well, it came about because we didn't know who called who.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. When you talked to Jack on Friday afternoon, did he mention to you where he had been earlier that day?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I don't recall whether he---but I assume he was calling me from his club because as I say, I could hear another voice. He said it was his porter. I---

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I don't remember what he said about--

Mr. Griffin.

What sort of religious practices did your mother maintain in the home when you were growing up as a girl?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Well, we weren't too religious. At least, I don't feel I had too much religious training or any training.

Mr. Griffin.

What training did you have?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Well, I never went to--what you call--Hebrew school In those days, girls didn't. Now, today, it seems to be the fashion.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

We adhered to certain conservative Jewish principles.

Mr. Griffin.

Which ones in particular?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Oh, observing the holidays as best as we could, you know,