Mr. Knight.

had never seen Henry Wade before because I usually didn't do news. I was on the personality and record playing. Wade said that he didn't know Ruby but I guess Ruby could have seen him other places. But he did point him out. He said, "This is Henry Wade. This is the Weird Beard." But he seemed to know Wade.

Mr. Griffin.

In, your interview here, Agents Neeley and Rice report that after you interviewed Wade "when he got through Ruby was gone." You testifled here today, you recall, that you actually walked out with Ruby, that you saw Ruby a few feet away. Now, which would be the most accurate?

Mr. Knight.

As I say, this is what probably happened on that. When I got through with the interview he wasn't around but when I started to walk out I encountered him again so this would be more accurate.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you also mentioned in your interview report or the FBI mentions that you recalled Ruby was grieving for the Kennedy family. Do you have any recollection that he mentioned the Kennedy family in any way?

Mr. Knight.

Yes. I'm almost sure that he said "That poor family."

Mr. Griffin.

Do you .recall where that would have taken place?

Mr. Knight.

That would have been around the radio station.

Mr. Griffin.

Would it have been downstairs or upstairs?

Mr. Knight.

No; that would have been with everybody around there.

Mr. Griffin.

I haven't any more questions and I will just throw in one general one. Is there anything else that you can think of we haven't covered that you think we ought to know?

Mr. Knight.

No. I'm trying to go back in my mind, too, and think of the insanity thing. I don't-think I mentioned before, that is, Oswald's sanity, and the Heroism thing. And I can't think of anything that would be significant except my own again speculation a,bout the whole thing which I am sure you don't want to hear.

Mr. Griffin.

I think we have probably speculated on everything that could be based on facts here. You have speculated some and it's been helpful. Of course, we are interested in speculations only to the extent that they might suggest some facts.

Mr. Knight.

One big speculation that I told you, .who could have given Ruby the speech of Heroism. That's it. How could he, where did he obtain a copy. And again, well, go ahead.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't know if it's reassuring to you, but we speculated about this, too, and we made an effort to find out.

Mr. Knight.

In the trial that Ruby just sort of said, "This is it, we have had it," it was just a very fast job and ended the trial like they just wanted to get him in there and convict him.

Mr. Griffin.

You mean the defense was conducted that way or that the prosecution--

Mr. Knight.

No; the prosecution--don't use the word railroad. Strike that out.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Knight.

But it seemed like they just put the poor guy in there and nobody would listen to anything. They just wanted to get him convicted for and maybe ease the conscience or something like that. It really wasn't an example of American justice. That's not fact. That's my speculation.

Mr. Griffin.

We thank you for coming here all the way from Detroit and we appreciate people who cooperate as fully as you have here and realize it's a sacrifice for you to do this. I don't know whether my secretary indicated over the phone but the Commission, of course, pays mileage and out-of-pocket expenses. And the way we ,have been handling this with people who haven't come to Washington is that we have asked them to send to us in Washington a list of expenses they have had in connection with this, and we will see

the proper people in Washington check it out.

Mr. Knight.

Should I send like the gas receipts and hotel bills?

Mr. Griffin.

They won't pay you the gas receipts. They will pay you so many cents a mile, and will pay your out-of-pocket hotel expenses.

Mr. Knight.

Will they pay for my wife?

Mr. Griffin.

I don't think so.

Edward C. Dietrich