Mr. Knight.

City that phoned in his reports from the radio station, a station called WNEW.

Mr. Griffin.

Ike Pappas?

Mr. Knight.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you known Pappus before that?

Mr. Knight.

No; but Pappus met Ruby there at that same time period.

Mr. Griffin.

Ruby came up to the newsroom where you were talking with Duncan?

Mr. Knight.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have the sandwiches with him?

Mr. Knight.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall whether he was carrying them in a box of some sort?

Mr. Knight.

No; it was in a sack. And the drinks, I thought it was unusual, he had celery juice or some kind of soft drinks with celery in it and it was an unusual drink.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember anything about the bottle that was unusual?

Mr. Knight.

The bottle? It wasn't the normal soda pop bottle. I mean I couldn't describe it.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember that it was a bottle that had a gold covering on it?

Mr. Knight.

Yes; that sounds to be it.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. And did you have some conversation with him while Duncan was present at that point?

Mr. Knight.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What happened?

Mr. Knight.

We talked about generalities which I, if I remembered I would say it. But evidently at this time he had seen Oswald in person because he said Oswald was a goodlooking guy, said he looked like Paul Newman. These were his words. Paul Newman, the movie star. At the time I didn't question where he had seen Oswald. I am sure that same day at the police station because he had been hanging around and I think he was there when they brought him in, on the outside looking in.

Mr. Griffn.

When they brought him in where? The police station?

Mr. Knight.

This is a surmise on my part.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't have any evidence of this?

Mr. Knight.

No; no. But he said he did look like, and Ruby's face, there was no bitterness against the man. Of course, there was, but I mean he said it kind of, "Why, he looks like a movie star." That's about the only thing that I can remember other than just how sad the situation was.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember Ruby commenting on how sad the situation was?

Mr. Knight.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did your conversation up there last while Ruby was present?

Mr. Knight.

Well, as I say, this was 1:45 approximately, it could have been 1:50. We had---or 1:45 I'll say. We had a newscast at 1:50. Actually on the hour at 2 o'clock. So I guess about 10 minutes before the newscast. And I went on the newscast. Not with the tape I did over at the courthouse with Mr. Wade, but I went on with my reactions to the interview with Wade.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember mentioning Ruby's name in that newscast?

Mr. Knight.

Yes; and I said, "Through a tip from a local nightclub owner I asked Mr. Wade the question of Oswald's insanity." And that's the way I had phrased it. I didn't mention his name on the newscast.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you remain at the studio after the newscast?

Mr. Knight.

Okay. The newscast lasted 5 minutes, maybe a little longer, and we stayed around and talked for I guess 10, 15 minutes. And some time in this period this Pappas showed up at the station and asked if he could use our facilities and call New York City.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Ruby there when Pappas arrived?

Mr. Knight.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have any recollection whether Pappas arrived before your newscast or after your newscast?