Mr. Rossi.

Oh, there may have been one or two people and I couldn't no more tell you who they were or what, that possibly mentioned in my presence that Jack Ruby--I wouldn't say was a criminal, but knew him as an operator and possibly had reference to him as a little bit of a shady operator or something like that or that he might be capable of it.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that before he shot Oswald or after he shot Oswald?

Mr. Rossi.

Oh--yes, yes; that was before. Well, I might say, if you put it that way--I heard comments afterwards, but I didn't participate in any of the discussions afterwards.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack Ruby ever tell you any of his political attitudes--did he ever discuss any of them with you?

Mr. Rossi.

No, not especially; not to me personally, but I would say publicly in a sense, and this goes back a little bit of time, I knew definitely that he leaned towards the Democratic party or at least he had a high respect for President Roosevelt.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you find that out?

Mr. Rossi.

Well, just in his talk about him and everything. Of course, I was against Roosevelt and his policies and all, and any time anybody would mention anything about social security or various doles and so forth and other ways of increasing the expenses, or what have you, or any of the things that Roosevelt reforms, I would expound against them, and I know that Jack took Mr. Roosevelt pretty seriously, and would defend him and his policies. He thought he was a great man and a great President, and I thought Roosevelt was a wonderful sales man and orator myself.

Mr. Griffin.

How many of these expressions did you discuss with Jack?

Mr. Rossi.

I--oh, I would say--I didn't especially discuss them with him, but I would say in general discussions when perhaps he happened to be in a group and somebody was making some comment on the issue of the day and you know how you have a little political talk involved in it usually.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to mark for identification a document which consists of two pages. It is a copy of a report that two FBI Agents, Thomas W. Crawford and Clay Zachry had with you on November 25 down at Brownsville. I am going to mark this document on the first page, which is actually No. 112, Joseph Rossi Deposition, July 24, 1964, Exhibit No. 1, and the second page of this two-page document is numbered page 113, and I am going to hand both pages to you and ask you to read them and tell us whether or not that is an accurate report of what you told the FBI agents in November 1963?

Mr. Rossi.

This is all correct with the exception of the last sentence, in regards to Ruby's hat--it wasn't Ruby's friends that kidded him, but more or less just people that knew him. When Ruby might stop into my place at the coffeeshop or something like that, or any of the old Chicago hoodlums--now, my brother, he won't appreciate this---he will just a,bout kill me, but we called everybody from our area Chicago hoodlums-- where we had grown up around there together.

Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Rossi, let me ask you if you would sign this on the first page and initial it on the second page, and sign it as near the top line and mark it for identification.

Mr. Rossi.

Up here?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rossi.

(Signed instrument referred to.)

Mr. Griffin.

Thank you very much for coming here. I am sorry we have had so many mixups, but that could not be helped, and you have been very helpful to us.

Mr. Rossi.

Well, that's all right. Do you want any other opinions?

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have any others to make?

Mr. Rossi.

I think so.

Mr. Griffin.

All right, will you state them--I thought we had exhausted about everything, but I will be glad to hear them.
What else do you have that you think will be useful to us?

Mr. Rossi.

Well, in my own personal opinion--I think it was an impulsive thing all the way around. I wouldn't say the Dallas people are guilty. It is