Mr. Rossi.

stood that end of the business. I'm not a drinker or anything like it, and I am pretty steady and dependable.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did this conversation take place?

Mr. Rossi.

This took place in the arcade or the lobby of the Mercantile Security Building in front of where, and also in, what used to be my snackbar or coffeeshop.

Mr. Griffin.

Had Jack arranged to meet you there?

Mr. Rossi.

No, no. It was one of those chance meeting where he saw me and then just stopped and started talking about the twistboard. I had no idea of even 'being there at the coffeeshop, let alone that I would see Jack there. My time was limited, because I was making preparations to leave town that night, and I was talking about this the day before that night.

Mr. Griffin.

What time of the day was it when you saw him?

Mr. Rossi.

Oh, I would say it was in the a.m., about, somewhere around 10--possibly 11 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack indicate to you what his business was at the Mercantile Security Building?

Mr. Rossi.

Well, he was going up on the assumption also--I don't recall positively if he mentioned that particular fact, I think he did say something in regards to going up and seeing Mr. Kaufman, his attorney, and looking into this twistboard--I don't recall whether it was in regards to possibly setting up a corporation, or whether it had to do with getting the patent rights or the exclusiveness or something of that sort.

Mr. Griffin.

And he specifically mentioned that he was going up to see somebody about the legal aspects of the twistboard.

Mr. Rossi.

Well, as I say, I don't recall just why he was going up to see him, whether it was about the legal aspects of the board or what, but he did mention he was going up to see Mr. Kaufman in regards to something on the twistboard.

Mr. Griffin.

Could it have been that he mentioned he was going up to see another attorney about the twistboard?

Mr. Rossi.

I believe he mentioned a tax problem, or at least I mentioned it--there was something or a discussion about a tax problem, inasmuch as he had been involved with a tax problem with the Internal Revenue Department and during the discussion of the club deal. Of course I was aware of his tax problem, and I wasn't going to especially participate in any venture with Jack because I knew that he did have problems of this nature and I didn't want to become involved. But at the same time I did bring up the fact that, "Well, won't this interfere with this business venture or anything like that, that you have?" And he made mention then that he had accumulated or gotten some money or was in the process of getting this all taken care of. That he had the tax problem settled or finalized, and that they would meet with some agreement as to how much or just what amount they would settle for. He was going to get that all squared off, and I believe he made mention of the fact that he had some money set aside for that required settlement I don't know the exact amount of money, but I think it ran up a fair size sum.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did this conversation last, approximately?

Mr. Rossi.

Oh, I would say 20 or 30 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Was anybody else present?

Mr. Rossi.

Well yes; one of my former employees was there well two of them--actually, one is still managing the coffeeshop and the other happened to be in the coffeeshop at the time, and I believe he was there.

Mr. Griffin.

What are their names?

Mr. Rossi.

One of them is Joseph Di Gangi and the other is John Trace, and I believe at the time I was talking to Mr. Di Gangi when Jack came walking down the hall and came in. That's how I got to talking to Jack, and I believe Mr. Di Gangi became engrossed in talking to somebody else and Jack and I stepped out in the hall in order to make a little more room for the customers in the snack bar and we did our talking out there.
Is that phone hooked up all right; could I call my present business and let them know where I am at?