Mr. Kravitz.

himself to Fred and myself. I did not know him prior to that and asked Fred and myself to come to his club, which we did the next evening.

Mr. Griffin.

How long was that before the President was assassinated?

Mr. Kravitz.

Oh, that was quite some time.

Mr. Griffin.

Several months?

Mr. Kravitz.

Oh, I really can't say--it was just 4 or 5 or 6 months, I suppose, and then I saw Mr. Ruby. After that I went to his club a few times. I saw Mr. Ruby approximately a week before the assassination.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, When you talked with two FBI agents, Joseph Peggs and Alvin Zimmerman, you indicated that the last time you saw Ruby at the Carousel Club was on November 20; that would be 2 days before the assassination?

Mr. Kravitz.

It's very possible.

Mr. Griffin.

Would your memory have been more accurate at that time time than it is now?

Mr. Kravitz.

I said a week--it could have been 2 or 3 days. It was very near to the assassination of the President.

Mr. Griffin.

What time did you arrive at the club that night?

Mr. Kravitz.

I had a date, so I would say it was in the evening, I'm not sure, but about 9 o'clock or after.

Mr. Griffin.

And how much time did you spend with Ruby that night?

Mr. Kravitz.

Well, he came over to the table and talked with my date and myself--I didn't spend a lot of time with him, really, I didn't spend a lot of time with him--Jack knew me and we were acquaintances. We weren't what you would call close friends.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he mention anything at that time about President Kennedy?

Mr. Kravitz.

No; nothing at all. I never discussed politics, I never got into anything with Mr. Ruby about politics, and probably I said something about the time of day and how are you and so forth and so on.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you discuss with him, though, aside from the time of day--what seemed to be Ruby's particular interest?

Mr. Kravitz.

Well, I never discussed much with Mr. Ruby. At one time when all this happened, it was in the Jewish holidays, and one incident I had with Mr. Ruby, he called me up once and wanted me to go with him to the synagogue, but I didn't know Mr. Ruby well and I didn't really want to go to the synagogue with Mr. Ruby--he is a character and so on and so forth, and I think he got a little aggravated with me, and I didn't see him after that until the night which you are talking about.

Mr. Griffin.

How long was this telephone request before you saw him?

Mr. Kravitz.

Oh, God, I would say months---I didn't go back to that place until this young lady I was out with that night wanted to go there, and said to her, "Well, I really don't want to go there," and said that I had had words with Jack Ruby, and I don't know how she interpreted that, but anyway, I did go back and I shook hands with him that night.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he call you in connection with any high holiday?

Mr. Kravitz.

Yes; there was one of the high holidays--it was either, if you are familiar with them, it was either Rosh Hashanah, or Yore Kippur--it was one of those; but I can't be sure which.

Mr. Griffin.

How did he happen to call you?

Mr. Kravitz.

That's a good question; I don't know. The night that we were out with Freddie Barber, .we talked until 3, 4, or 5 o'clock in the morning--Freddie Barber and myself--we went out after, for breakfast, and I think he might have been impressed with me; I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he know what business you were in at that time?

Mr. Kravitz.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you in the clothing business at that time?

Mr. Kravitz.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have any reason to think that you might have had a connection with Barber that he wanted to use?

Mr. Kravitz.

There is a possibility, I don't know, he might have thought that I was Freddie's agent, or Something, but I don't think that came up.

Mr. Griffin.

Had he talked to you about his