Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you to raise your right hand if you will. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I do.

Mr. Griffin.

If you would, give the court reporter your name.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Hyman Rubenstein.

Mr. Griffin.

Where do you live, Mr. Rubenstein.

Mr. Rubenstein.

1044 Loyola Avenue.

Mr. Griffin.

Is that in Chicago?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Chicago, 26.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you lived there?

Mr. Rubenstein.

6 years.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us when you were born?

Mr. Rubenstein.

December 28, 1901.

Mr. Griffin.

Where were you born?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Warsaw, Poland.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you come to this country?

Mr. Rubenstein.

When I was 2 1/2 years old.

Mr. Griffin.

That would have been in 1903?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't--all right, put it down, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

The only recollection, I take it, you have--

Mr. Rubenstein.

From my folks when they told us when they came here.

Mr. Griffin.

What is your occupation at the present time?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I am a salesman.

Mr. Griffin.

Who do you work for?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I work for Davidson and Uphoff.

Mr. Griffin.

Where is that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

448 Mark Avenue, Clarendon Hills, Ill.

Mr. Griffin.

What do you sell?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Florist supplies.

Mr. Griffin.

What do those consist of?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Bird cages, stands, different things that the florists sell in their shops and greenhouses.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you obliged to travel in the course of your employment?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Almost constantly.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you give us a general idea of the area that you travel in?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Sure. Now, I cover Michigan. I have covered Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Kentucky, and Tennessee. With different firms but related to the same field.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you been covering Michigan?

Mr. Rubenstein.

11, 12 years.

Mr. Griffin.

You said now you cover Michigan. I take it at the present time

Mr. Rubenstein.

This is a new firm I am with.

Mr. Griffin.

At the present time you don't cover any State other than Michigan?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; except this. In 1963 the firm I was with in New York, the Lewis Ribbon Co., merged with the International Artware Co. of Cleveland, so I had to go in business for myself. So, I still cover the same territory for myself as I did with Lewis Ribbon Co. in 1963. So I had a lot of money outstanding so I am trying to pick that up little by. little as I. am traveling through Illinois and eventually will travel through Wisconsin to pick UP money I have coming from merchandise I have sold.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you leave the Lewis Ribbon Co.?

Mr. Rubenstein.

1963; January 1st.

Mr. Griffin.

You say you went into business for yourself?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

What business did you go into then?