No. I mean when you talked to Dean and he told you about what Ruby had said, as to Dean, as to how he got in, that conversation with Dean was at the hospital?
Captain TALBERT. At the hospital; yes, sir. I am sorry, I thought you meant what was my conversation.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you talked to Vaughn prior to that time?
Captain TALBERT. I can't recall. I really can't recall, Mr. Hubert. I don't believe I had been able to get in touch with him. You see, getting into telephone contact with these people took a little time, and it also didn't occur until after I had cleared the lobby of the hospital and posted guards at the doors. But I can't recall. I mean I can't remember to give you a definite answer on that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk to Pierce, Lieutenant Pierce about how Ruby came into the basement, if you recall?
Captain TALBERT. Many times.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean the first time that you talked to him, do you remember?
Captain TALBERT. I can't recall the first time. I can't recall actually getting in touch with Pierce from the hospital. Now I possibly did, but I was a busy man, and I can't recall.

Mr. Hubert.

When you did talk to Pierce about how Ruby claimed he entered into the basement, did he seem to know about it?
Captain TALBERT. No, sir. He was quite vociferous, in fact.

Mr. Hubert.

Vociferous in what way?
Captain TALBERT. Language. We wouldn't want to put it in this deposition, sir. By that I mean he was alleging that he had entered that Main Street entrance. Lieutenant Pierce said he couldn't have. And then the vociferousness.

Mr. Hubert.

It was a matter of emphasis on that point?
Captain TALBERT. Was an emphasis on Ruby's character, actually.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, Pierce's reaction was that it was not true, so far as he knew?
Captain TALBERT. His reaction was startled, and that he even alleged that he came in that way, and that it couldn't possibly have been true.

Mr. Hubert.

By that you mean that the information conveyed to you by Pierce was that Ruby claimed to have entered through the Main Street entrance as Pierce went out, and Pierce's reaction was negative on that, and of a vociferous nature?
Captain TALBERT. And startled, as I recall. Sam can be rather positive in his views. He is positive in his views, not can be. And he was very positive in that.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware at anytime on the morning of the 24th that threats had come through concerning the ham to Oswald during the transfer?
Captain TALBERT. I am sorry?

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware at anytime prior to Oswald's shooting that threats had come to the attention of the police department concerning the safety of Oswald?
Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir. That is the reason I took the action of--if you will analyze what I did with assigning the total personnel that I had assigned that day, and that included myself, including all the patrolmen and supervisors, I took all the precautions possible against mob action, and took elementary precautions against an individual action. And needless to say, from the subsequent events, it was unsuccessful.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you in fact address your consideration of security measures to both types of threats? That is, to the mob action and single action by one man?
Captain TALBERT. Right, sir. The individual officer on Main Street, for instance, we had the buildup of the crowd on the opposite side of the building on Commerce where the people obviously knew was an exit ramp, so the individual officer on Main Street was one of, if not the best patrolmen I have. He is the type person that you can depend on thoroughly, and quite sizable physically. I don't know Whether you have met Vaughn or not, but if we went into physical

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