Mr. Hall.

Don Goin, I believe; sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Dietrich with him?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I gather from what you said, it was either Dietrich or Goin driving the other car?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir; I feel pretty sure it was Goin.

Mr. Hubert.

Now how did you proceed from fine terminal to the Dallas Police Department building?

Mr. Hall.

We, in convoy fashion, the large truck leading the small truck, went south on Leonard to Ross, west on Ross to Pearl, south on Pearl to Main, west on Main to Harwood, south on Harwood to Commerce, east on Commerce just past the city hall basement entrance, and I then backed the large truck into the entranceway and indicated to the small truck to park just ahead of the passageway in reserve.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you .been given any instructions to back in prior to leaving the terminal?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir; we had. We had had that understanding.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, when you got to the Dallas Police, Commerce Street entrance, you did not wait for any further instructions, but immediately proceeded to back in?

Mr. Hall.

That's right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Mr. Fleming or anyone else assist you in backing in by way of directions and signal, and so forth?

Mr. Hall.

Yes; Mr. Fleming helped with .the traffic control, and then remained at the rear of the truck for further instructions.

Mr. Hubert.

Now was that the first time that day you had been to the police department?

Mr. Hall.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did anyone of you, including yourself, have on a grayish or any other type of overcoat when you were at the police department?

Mr. Hall.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever seen any .pictures of Jack Ruby?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I can tell by looking at you that you do not resemble Jack Ruby.

Mr. Hall.

Thank you.

Mr. Hubert.

But I wanted you to express an opinion as to the other gentleman.

Mr. Hall.

Definitely not. Goin and Dietrich were .in uniform. Our standard uniform is khaki color, with .38 pistols at their side. Mr. Fleming was in a suit, and he is tall and rather thin. I would guess at least 6 inches taller than Mr. Ruby. There seems to be no resemblance.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you notice any TV mobile van units nearby there?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you or Mr. Fleming or Mr. Goin or Mr. Dietrich ever approach any of those units, do you know?

Mr. Hall.

For no reason; no, sir. There was one parked in the way.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, just describe it.

Mr. Hall.

One parked at the entrance to my right. As I pulled past the entrance and backed in, there was a TV camera stationed on top of a truck approximately here.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, between you and Harwood Street?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Almost up to the Commerce entrance?

Mr. Hall.

Yes, sir; there were a number of people, onlookers. All of them had been regimented over on .the other side of the street, not any closer to the city hall than the sidewalk, to the far side of Commerce. There were approximately 50 or so people over there.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see anybody on the Main Street side of Commerce? That is to say, in the area of the sidewalk between the mobile units and the building itself?

Mr. Hall.

No; as we passed the Main Street side of the city hall, we were quite in.tent in watching the traffic and people and in getting our truck into proper position on the other side of the building, so we didn't observe anything.