Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what time it was?

Mr. Crull.

No; I can't say. I waited at Texoma then, a short time, until my wife came back to the lake. She had been in to Denison to church, and shortly after noon we came back to Dallas. I came to the city hall after changing my clothes at home, to the police department and talked to our mayor then and found that he had received some telephone threats, and that the police had a guard on him, that he wanted to go to Washington for the President's funeral, and that there was some concern about it. So I left the city hall and went to the home of the mayor, discussed his trip with him, decided on my own that he should have protection all the way, called Chief Curry, and suggested that he assign Lieutenant Revill, who was the head of the chief intelligence section, to make the trip to Washington with Mayor Cabell.
Over the telephone the chief did this, and I waited at the mayor's home until Revill went to his house and collected his clothes. Then, in a squad car, I went to the airport to see the mayor off on the airplane.

Mr. Hubert.

What time was that, about?

Mr. Crull.

Between 5:30 and 6 o'clock, something in that area. It was still daylight.

Mr. Hubert.

That was on Sunday, the 24th?

Mr. Crull.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you informed by anyone of any fears that existed concerning the safety of Oswald?

Mr. Crull.

I didn't hear this report until several days later that there had been some.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you have already stated that in your discussions with the head of the chief of police, the head of the police department on Friday afternoon between 4 and 7, that there had not been discussed or mentioned any fear concerning his safety, is that right?

Mr. Crull.

That's correct. The concern expressed was that with the whole world looking on, the thing be kept in the open as much as it could be, with a reasonable degree of security. Quarterbacking the game on Monday, apparently we were stressing the wrong point.

Mr. Hubert.

Apparently from the last part of your answer there, you mentioned that since the whole world was looking on, the press should be given as much freedom as possible? I think you mentioned consistent with security, or something of that sort?

Mr. Crull.

Consistent with the safety of the prisoner; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, iS it fair to say then that the actual safety of the prisoner was a matter of discussion?

Mr. Crull.

No; I don't think it would be accurate to say that it was a matter of discussion. It was mentioned, but I doubt very seriously that the staff of personnel was very concerned about it, because he was at that time safely in the homicide bureau surrounded by detectives.

Mr. Hubert.

But you say it was mentioned, the safety of the prisoner?

Mr. Crull.

I think so; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember by whom?

Mr. Crull.

No; I don't remember exactly.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you have already said, too, that there was no discussion of the method of transfer or the danger or perils that might exist for the safety of the prisoner when that would come about?

Mr. Crull.

The method of transfer I did not discuss at all at the time.

Mr. Hubert.

And of course since you left on Saturday morning and did not communicate or have any communication with the police until after the shooting of Oswald, you knew nothing about any developments or about any threats, and so forth, .that had been made to him?

Mr. Crull.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Nor did you know what plans for transfer had been developed and were prepared to be carried out?

Mr. Crull.

No; quite frankly, I think this belongs in it. I never thought seriously of the prisoner being killed. I don't know whether others did or not, but I was concerned primarily with the case being wrapped up, and solid, so that there would be no question about who killed the President.