Mr. Griffin.

What club was that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

The Deborah Boys Club.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. And what sort of work did Mr. Feiwell do?

Mr. Rubenstein.

He was a big lawyer in Chicago.

Mr. Griffin.

He took a liking to you?

Mr. Rubenstein.

He wanted to encourage me because I was working my way through high school and he tried to help out all the boys that he possibly could.

Mr. Griffin.

And he made introductions of you to people in politics?

Mr. Rubenstein.

As I said before indirectly. Let me give you one example.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

When Henry Horner ran for probate judge in 1928, I believe, Mr. Feiwell was one of the men in charge of the campaign. So he didn't have too much time, so I helped him whatever I could do. If we had a special meeting for fund raising, I would line up the hall, get the chairs, see that everything was ready made for the meeting, got coatracks and hatracks for the men for the meeting and they all got to know me that way, and so I became officially the sergeant-at-arms, and so that is how they got to know me. If they wanted something before they sat down, they told me if they get a telephone call, "Call me out" of if there was a call I could spot the man right away and tell them there was a call from out of the hall. Different things like that, that is how I got acquainted.
Later on I became more important because I knew the ropes a little bit because I knew what to do without their telling me everything. I knew how to pick up the printing, how to distribute the literature in the different wards and so forth.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you active in any particular ward yourself or were you in the downtown headquarters?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Mostly the downtown headquarters.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you ever on the payroll of the downtown headquarters?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes. I was on the payroll for downtown headquarters. One year, when Adlai Stevenson was running, I was connected with the downtown Democratic headquarters at the Morrison Hotel.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this after World War II?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes. And they didn't pay me much, but I was glad to help out. I think they were paying me $25 a week.

Mr. Griffin.

Prior to World War II, were you ever on a salary or payroll for any Democratic club?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No. Only with the job that I had.

Mr. Griffin.

So your political activities prior to World War II were on a voluntary basis and would have been in your spare time apart from your other job?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes. Unless the big men in Chicago once in a while if they had me do an errand purposely slipped me a $5 bill because they knew I earned it.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have occasion during that period to do any favors for Jack?

Mr. Rubenstein.

What Jack, my brother?

Mr. Griffin.

Your brother Jack.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes. He got in a fight one time with a policeman for scalping tickets, and so I had to go to court for him.

Mr. Griffin.

When was that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know but that was dropped. That is the only time that I can remember when Jack actually got in trouble where you might say was minor. Never before.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have any occasion to help him get a license or anything?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us about that.

Mr. Rubenstein.

I will never forget that as long as I live. Since I was connected in politics, the man in charge of the vending licenses in the city of Chicago was a new man, and I didn't mean to take advantage of him.