Mr. Hubert.

Do you mean to tell me then that prior to that time--

Mr. Crowe.

I never gave it much thought.

Mr. Hubert.

You had not specifically thought that Oswald might have been in the club?

Mr. Crowe.

Specifically, I never gave it too much thought. The face was familiar, and that was about it.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it fair to say that if you had actually thought on Saturday that you had seen the killer of the President in the Carousel Club the week before that you would, might, have mentioned that fact to Mr. Palmer whom you visited on Saturday night?

Mr. Crowe.

Not necessarily. We discussed the assassination of the President in brief, and then they taught me how to play poker and we didn't talk about it. I didn't care to talk about it. It was too unpleasant for me.

Mr. Hubert.

What I am trying to get at is whether or not this thought that you ultimately expressed to the newspapermen shortly after noon, I take it, on the 24th, whether that thought actually existed as a conscious mental process prior to that time or not?

Mr. Crowe.

Not strongly, no. Just as a passing thought on and off, only after I had heard that Ruby had shot Oswald and I started summing up the coincidences, you know, and thinking of Oswald's picture in the paper, and seeing it again, and putting it all together.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have occasion to call a man in Evansville, Ind., I think, a friend of yours on a newspaper that day?

Mr. Crowe.

David Hoy.

Mr. Hubert.

The day before?

Mr. Crowe.

No; I said David Hoy.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember that?

Mr. Crowe.

Sunday.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that before or after you told the newspaper people about the coincidences?

Mr. Crowe.

Before.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you call from?

Mr. Crowe.

The hotel, I mean the motel. The motel I had just moved into that noon.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand you to say that you saw, actually witnessed the television film of Ruby shooting Oswald?

Mr. Crowe.

No; I never said that.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you find out?

Mr. Crowe.

I was in the office checking into the motel when it came on TV and I had heard it.

Mr. Hubert.

I see. When did you speak to Hoy?

Mr. Crowe.

Oh, a couple minutes right after.

Mr. Hubert.

Why did you do so?

Mr. Crowe.

Well, because he was in news and a friend of mine, you know, and I figured he would be interested in knowing if he had heard over the teletype or something.

Mr. Hubert.

So that actually the crystallization of these four coincidences came sooner than the time that you met the radio people in front of the club?

Mr. Crowe.

That is what I said. From the time I was driving from the motel to the club.

Mr. Hubert.

And you placed the call from the motel?

Mr. Crowe.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

So that you called Hoy prior to?

Mr. Crowe.

The crystallization of these ideas and coincidences.

Mr. Hubert.

Why did you call him then?

Mr. Crowe.

Because Oswald had just been shot.

Mr. Hubert.

At that time you told me the series of coincidences had not yet crystallized because they crystallized you said a moment ago after this call?

Mr. Crowe.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, then what was the purpose of calling Hoy?

Mr. Crowe.

Because Oswald had Just been shot.

Mr. Hubert.

And solely for that purpose?