Mr. Hubert.

What are the facts concerning your possibly having seen Oswald in that club?

Mr. Crowe.

Well, I wouldn't say there was any, just facts. Like I stated before, the face seemed familiar as some faces do, and I had associated him with a patron that I had seen in the club a week before. That was about it.

Mr. Hubert.

Wasn't there some aspect of the story that had to do with a memory act that was supposed to be your specialty or one of your specialties?

Mr. Crowe.

Well, it is one of the bits that I did to fill time, but--

Mr. Hubert.

What are the facts concerning that?

Mr. Crowe.

They asked me in what--how I had seen him in the club, and I said I thought I had used him as one of the people that was--that I would use him in my memory bit.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your memory bit. Would you describe it, please, sir?

Mr. Crowe.

I have 20 people cross the front, those that I can see by the stage there, and call out an object and then I have them raise their hand at random and I call the object back to them. That was it.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there a gimmick to this or does it--

Mr. Crowe.

Association.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, it is a special form of training; do you have to train yourself to associate?

Mr. Crowe.

To a small degree.

Mr. Hubert.

What mental process do you actually go through actually to accomplish this?

Mr. Crowe.

What system do I use?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Crowe.

Or how is it done?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes. I don't want to get your professional secrets.

Mr. Crowe.

That is what you are asking. [Laughter.]

Mr. Hubert.

On the other hand, what I am trying to get at is whether or not your memory bit, as you call it, would enable you to recognize or remember faces more than the ordinary person?

Mr. Crowe.

No. No, my memory actually is no better, maybe it is as good as the ordinary persons. I know the system which is Spencer Thorton's to use in this memory bit and I concentrate on using it, and after it is over I have forgotten.

Mr. Hubert.

I am sure you recall that the press shortly after 24th played up, snowballed, I think perhaps, as you called it, the fact that your memory act or memory gimmick as you now call it, gave you a special expertise, if it is called that, or special ability, in remembering faces that you had seen. Is that a fact or not? I mean, is it a fact that your act does give you that extra abnormal ability or not?

Mr. Crowe.

No; it does not give me anything special. Using a gimmick or a method to do the memory stunt and that is it They built up the memory thing and they built up the bit of having seen Oswald in there, and I never stated definitely, positively, and they said that I did, and all in all, what they had in the paper was hardly even close to what I told them.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you tell them?

Mr. Crowe.

Exactly as I have just stated to you.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I don't know that I followed you about what exactly you remembered about Oswald. I think perhaps we can better repeat it then. What did you, in fact, irrespective of what you stated to them., what did you, in fact, remember then about seeing Oswald in Ruby's club?

Mr. Crowe.

I had--it seemed to me that his face was familiar, and I had possibly seen him in the club the week before and used him in association with the memory routine that I did.

Mr. Hubert.

You told that to the press?

Mr. Crowe.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

And you told it actually as one of four events which you have described as a series of coincidences?

Mr. Croew.

Right .

Mr. Hubert.

I think that later you were shown a picture of Oswald, were you not?