(Testimony of Curtis Laverne Crafard Resumed)
Mr. Griffin.
Did Jack say anything to you which would indicate how often he visited the premises that that telephone number was located at?
Mr. Crafard.
No, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you have a specific recollection of the conversation that you had with Jack which resulted in making this entry in the book?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe it was over the telephone, and he called in, and I believe I said something about Mike Shore had called wanting to talk to him, and he give me that number and told me to give it to Mike Shore only.
Mr. Griffin.
Did he indicate whether he would be at that number only that day or for a short period of time, or whether he could be reached there every day, or what?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe it was just a couple hours that day.
Mr. Griffin.
Now, under the name "Mike Shore only" there is another line which has no writing on it, and then there is an entry "St. Charles FL 7-0520." What is the significance of that?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe the name St. Charles is the last name of a gentleman that Jack Ruby knew, but I don't recall ever meeting the gentleman or ever calling him to talk to.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you recall how that entry came to be put in the book?
Mr. Crafard.
No, other than the fact that Jack give me the number. I believe there is reference to that same number further on in the book.
Mr. Griffin.
Perhaps when we get to it we can discuss it at that point.
Mr. Crafard.
All right.
Mr. Griffin.
I am going to turn over page one then. There are no further entries on page one, are there?
Mr. Crafard.
No, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
And we will look at the reverse side of page one. Now, there is a name written here "Abe"----
Mr. Crafard.
Klinman.
Mr. Griffin.
How is that spelled?
Mr. Crafard.
K-l-i-n-m-a-n.
Mr. Griffin.
Who is Abe Klinman?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't know what his position was or what he done for a living, but I believe I met him at the club.
Mr. Griffin.
Was he a local Dallas citizen?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe so, yes.
Mr. Griffin.
Was this somebody that Jack dealt with regularly?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes. Four or five different times that I know of Abe called the club, and several times that Jack called Abe.
Mr. Griffin.
There is a telephone number under there, "RI 8----
Mr. Crafard.
"4272."
Mr. Griffin.
Is that Abe KIinman's?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
Mr. Griffin.
On the next line there is something written in there.
Mr. Crafard.
The word "personal," the letters "UN," that is a telephone No. "UN-3-0400."
Mr. Griffin.
Whose number is that?
Mr. Crafard.
Mr. Earl Ruby's in Detroit, that is his home phone number.
Mr. Griffin.
While you were at the Carousel, do you recall Jack's ever telephoning Earl Ruby or Earl Ruby ever telephoning Jack?
Mr. Crafard.
Jack phoned Earl two or three different times. I don't recall Earl phoning Jack.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you recall why it was Jack called Earl?
Mr. Crafard.
In connection--the one time that I can really recall was in connection with the twist boards.
Mr. Griffin.
How soon was that after you went to work for Jack?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe that would have been about 2 or 3 weeks after I went to work for Jack.
Mr. Griffin.
And what do you recall about that telephone call?
Mr. Crafard.
Just the fact that he told Earl about the twist boards, and he told him he'd send him a couple of them and some of the advertisement he had on them, so he could promote them a little bit up Detroit.
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