Mr. Griffin.

Can you give us what your best estimate is of the number of times this would have been when he drove off alone?

Mr. Crafard.

I would say about eight or nine times that I am definite.

Mr. Griffin.

How many times a day did you have occasion to go into the trunk of Jack's automobile?

Mr. Crafard.

Maybe it would be 2 or 3 days I wouldn't go near his automobile, and there might be a day when I would go get something out of the trunk of his car two or three different times during the day.

Mr. Griffin.

On occasions when you went down to the trunk of his car was Jack carrying money around in the trunk of his car?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes. He most always had money in the trunk of his car.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you know this?

Mr. Crafard.

He had told me so on several occasions, and on several occasions I was with him when he placed money in his car when I went upstairs and then he would send me down after something out of the trunk of his car.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you able to tell whether, after Jack would carry the daily receipts down to the car if he would continue to carry money in his car, in the trunk of his car, or whether he would take the money out so that the next day when he would come back and pick up the next day's receipts the trunk was empty so far as money was concerned?

Mr. Crafard.

He carried the money for the receipts for a week at a time.

Mr. Griffin.

On these occasions when he carried the money for a week at a time, do you ever recall him going into the trunk and putting the gun in his pocket as he was driving off?

Mr. Crafard.

No. Only one time that I can recall a gun being in the car, I was in the car with Jack, I believe it was the second night I was at the Vegas Club, he brought the money sack in and the money sack that the gun was in, was in the main money sack, and we put it in the front seat of the car between us, right by my side.

Mr. Griffin.

Was it Jack's practice to keep a key to the trunk of the car any place in the automobile?

Mr. Crafard.

Other than on his key ring, I wouldn't know of any keys.

Mr. Griffin.

How many occasions did you have to go down to Jack's automobile by yourself and open the trunk of the car?

Mr. Crafard.

Oh, I would say between 15 or 20 or 25 times while I was with him.

Mr. Griffin.

And on each of these occasions did you have to get a key to open the trunk?

Mr. Crafard.

Jack would give me the key, he would give me his key ring with the key on it.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there ever any occasions when Jack left the trunk unlocked that you recall?

Mr. Crafard.

No. The trunk on his car was the type that you have got to unlock it to open it, and when you close it it automatically locks, and you remove the key and it automatically locks.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack have a regular parking space for his car near the Carousel Club?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; in the parking garage right downstairs.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you seen where he parked his car at his home?

Mr. Crafard.

I saw the parking lot. I don't know whether he used the same space all the time.

Mr. Griffin.

Was it an open parking lot?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know if Jack had any sort of a safe in this apartment?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

That is, you don't know.

Mr. Crafard.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Hubert, do you have any questions you want to ask along this line?

Mr. Hubert.

You were talking about the trunk and the money and all that. Did you get into the record about where the gun was?