Mr. Crafard.

The only thing I could say with that it might be in connection with the laminating machine that he was thinking about getting.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, now, tell us about the laminating machine that he was thinking about getting.

Mr. Crafard.

These free passes he was giving out he was having them laminated in plastic and he was thinking about getting a machine to do it himself.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was he intending to purchase this machine?

Mr. Crafard.

I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

These were free passes to the Carousel?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did the practice of giving passes away to the Carousel exist all the time you worked for Jack?

Mr. Crafard.

He started that practice just after I went to work for him, giving them to people that he had business with, personal acquaintances, and different important businessmen from different areas of the country.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever talk to Andy Armstrong or Jack so that you would be able to state whether he had given away passes prior to that time?

Mr. Crafard.

To my--as far as I know, he had never given them away before this.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recognize the name Monte that appears on this photograph Q in the 5225 series?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I don't.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember the name of a fellow by the name of Monte Timmons?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe I ever met the man. I don't remember the name. Excuse me 1 minute.
I believe that is a woman's name. There was a woman by the name of Monte, had a phone call, had Ryan call her back.

Mr. Griffin.

Mike Ryan?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to show you photograph R and ask you if you recognize any of the names or notations there.

Mr. Crafard.

Bill Petty's name is on there.

Mr. Griffin.

Who is he?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he was a friend of Jack's. I met him at the Carousel Club. Jack introduced me to him.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he live in Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe so; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know what he did? How often did you meet him at the Carousel Club?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he was there two or three times while I was working for Jack.

Mr. Griffin.

Would he come during business hours or would he come in the afternoon, or morning, when there weren't patrons there?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe when I first met him was in the afternoon, but other than that it was during business hours.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know what the nature of Jack's connection with Petty was?

Mr. Crafard.

No.
There is the name Gladys. I spoke of her before.
And this Dr. Uhlevitch was Mrs. Grant's doctor.
The name Oscar Newman seems familiar, but I don't recollect what there was about it.

Mr. Griffin.

There appears to be an abbreviation for Mrs. written above Oscar Newman, does that mean anything to you?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

I will hand you photograph S in this series we have been looking at. Do you recognize any of the names there?

Mr. Crafard.

Little Lynn's name is on there.
There is the name Gloria with the last name of R-e-t-t-i-g, the last name doesn't mean anything to me. The first name was the same as we have mentioned before.

Mr. Griffin.

Is Vicky Williams a name that you recognize?