Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have occasion to look out into the audience from the stage when the roulette wheel, when the drawing, was in progress?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Could you see faces in the audience?

Mr. Crafard.

It was pretty hard to make out any faces unless they were sitting right next, and then you wouldn't recognize them.

Mr. Griffin.

Unless they were sitting right next to the runway of the stage?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And there were
Mr. CRAFARD, Excuse me a minute, please.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Crafard.

You can just see a gentleman standing on the right-hand corner of some of these photographs. This gentleman was the M.C. at that time.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall who he was?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was Johnny. Yes; there is the box, one of his boxes. It was Johnny, but I am not sure what his last name was. There is a woman in one of these pictures; I believe I can just see myself, but it is not clear enough to make out. I believe it is me standing there.

Mr. Griffin.

This picture that you are looking at, this large photograph, is actually a series of small photographs?

Mr. Crafard.

It is actually a series of small photographs. It would be the first and second photograph in the middle series of photographs where you can just vaguely see me.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, I want to show you what I have marked in the same fashion Exhibit 5211. Do you recognize any of the people in that photograph, that set of photographs?

Mr. Crafard.

There is Johnny on the stage, the first one in the first series.
can see Johnny on the stage again. The next one shows Johnny.
The next one shows Johnny and, I believe it is Tammi True.

Mr. Griffin.

Who is the heavy man in the short-sleeved shirt that is shown?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember his name. He was to the club on several different occasions. He always sat in the same place because he was such a heavy man nobody could get around him, such a big one.
In the middle series of photographs shows Tammi True in each of them.
And on the outside series of photographs is Little Lynn in Jack's office holding some stuffed animals. The bottom picture on the right-hand series shows Johnny with one of his puppets.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you this about the fat man in the short sleeves. Was he a friend of Jack's?

Mr. Crafard.

They knew each other. They seemed to be friendly, always talked, Jack would always speak to him when he came in.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you associate any name with this man?

Mr. Crafard.

I can't remember his name, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Was his name in any of the names that we went through in the notebooks today?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember. I wouldn't remember his name if I saw it.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anybody else who would know him? Would Andy Armstrong know him?

Mr. Crafard.

Andy Armstrong would know him; yes. I believe that Andy is the one that first told me his name and told me to always seat him in the same place.
There was only one chair in the club that he could sit on and we had to go get it all the time when he come in and put it in the place for him.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to show you what I have marked in the same fashion Exhibit 5212, which is also a series of photographs.
Do you recognize any of the people in those pictures?

Mr. Crafard.

The stripper is Little Lynn.

Mr. Griffin.

In all of the pictures?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

How about the patrons? Do you recognize any of the patrons?