Mr. Specter.

And what was your next occupation?

Mr. Olsen.

Dallas Police Department.

Mr. Specter.

What was your rank in the police department?

Mr. Olsen.

Patrolman.

Mr. Specter.

And how long were you employed by the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. Olsen.

Five and a haft years.

Mr. Specter.

When did you end your employment with the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. Olsen.

In the latter part of December, 1963.

Mr. Specter.

And how were you employed after December of 1963?

Mr. Olsen.

I left Dallas and came to California and am working for a collection agency.

Mr. Specter.

Have you held that same job from -the time you first arrived here in Los Angeles until the present time?

Mr. Olsen.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Are you married or single, Mr. Olsen?

Mr. Olsen.

Married.

Mr. Specter.

And what is the name of your wife?

Mr. Olsen.

Kay.

Mr. Specter.

And what was her name prior to her marriage to you?

Mr. Olsen.

Kay Coleman.

Mr. Specter.

What was her occupation prior to being married to you, that is where was she employed?
Mr, OLSEN. She was employed at the Carousel Club.

Mr. Specter.

When were you and Mrs. Kay Olsen married?

Mr. Olsen.

I believe it was December. It could have been January.

Mr. Specter.

December of what year?

Mr. Olsen.

1963, or January of 1964.

Mr. Specter.

Do you know Jack Ruby?

Mr. Olsen.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

When did you fir. st become acquainted with Mr. Jack Ruby?

Mr. Olsen.

Oh, about 3 years ago.

Mr. Specter.

What were the circumstances of your making his acquaintance?

Mr. Olsen.

I was with the police department at the time and I was working that area where his club was, and it was a routine check of his place.

Mr. Specter.

How did you and Jack Ruby get along during the time you knew him?

Mr. Olsen.

We spoke. And sometimes he would get mad and I would talk to him and calm him down a little bit.

Mr. Specter.

How often did you visit Jack Ruby's club, the Carousel Club?

Mr. Olsen.

Oh, once a week, I guess. Sometimes more and sometimes less.

Mr. Specter.

Did you ever have any disputes with Ruby?

Mr. Olsen.

Sometimes.

Mr. Specter.

What was the cause of the disputes?

Mr. Olsen.

He would get mad with some of his help, some of his employees mostly, or customers. And he was erratic and hotheaded.

Mr. Specter.

What specific indications did you observe that he was erratic or hotheaded?

Mr. Olsen.

Well, sometimes he would get so mad that he would shake.

Mr. Specter.

What would cause him to get that mad?

Mr. Olsen.

Anything. I mean, he would Just fly off the handle about anything.

Mr. Specter.

Can you give me a specific illustration of what caused him on any occasion to become that angry?

Mr. Olsen.

Mostly with his help.

Mr. Specter.

A moment ago you said that you had disagreements with him over the way he treated his help. What was it about the way he treated his help which caused you to have any disagreement with Jack Ruby?

Mr. Olsen.

Well, they would want to quit and he would get upset about that.

Mr. Specter.

Was that in relation only to Mrs. Kay Olsen who was an employee of his, or did that apply to other employees as well?