Mr. Herndon.

"Did any foreign influence cause you to shoot Oswald?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

"Did you shoot Oswald because of any influence of the underworld?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Specter.

Now, by the word "foreign" in those questions, Mr. Ruby, we intend to convey to you--by Russia, by Cuba, or by any other foreign government, so that you may understand the full import of that question.

Mr. Ruby.

No--but the whole thing was based on--when was the first time you thought of it--in other words, that Sunday morning, so in other words--well, we'll get to that.

Mr. Herndon.

"No" is the answer?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

"Did you shoot Oswald because of a labor union influence?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

I will now rephrase that, if I may. "Did you shoot Oswald because of labor union influence?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

"Did any long-distance telephone calls which you made before the assassination of the President have anything to do with the assassination?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

"Did any of your long-distance telephone calls concern the shooting of Oswald?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

"Did you shoot Oswald in order to save Mrs. Kennedy the ordeal of a trial?"

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

"Did you know Officer Tippit?"

Mr. Ruby.

This is off the record for a minute, please?

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Ruby, I think it would be unwise for us to go off the record on this question.

Mr. Ruby.

Well, all right. There were three Officer Tippits in the police department. I only knew one.

Mr. Specter.

Was that Officer J. D. Tippit?

Mr. Ruby.

He's the one who was slain?

Mr. Specter.

Yes--Officer J. D. Tippit?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I don't think he was the one.

Mr. Specter.

Did you know Officer Tippit who was slain?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I don't know him. You see, I know so many officers and there are three Tippits, but I know one Tippit, and which one that is--if I would see him personally and see his physical features and knowing him---of course, I didn't have time to--I was incarcerated too soon to find out. Actually, the Tippit I knew, who worked at special service in the police department--you know which one I'm talking about, Bill?

Mr. Alexander.

Yes; but that's not the one.

Mr. Ruby.

I don't know this Tippit.

Mr. Alexander.

This boy had always been a radio patrolman.

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I don't know that I had ever seen this fellow before I had never seen him before. I may have seen him before but I didn't know him.

Mr. Herndon.

Mr. Ruby, if I ask a question, "Did you know the Officer Tippit slain?" Can you reasonably answer that truthfully "Yes" or "No"?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

I mean--you can answer it without any problem mentally?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; that's what I mean.

Mr. Specter.

To state it differently, you are able to answer whether or not you knew Officer J. D. Tippit?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I can't answer "Yes" or "No" and say whether or not.

Mr. Specter.

Well, I want to be sure that your last answer is responsive so that we are clear.

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I gave the answer "No."

Mr. Alexander.

Let's put it this way---"Did you know the Tippit that was killed?"