Mr. Herndon.

little nervousness and a little tension. Perhaps it was the question I asked with regard to the synagogue. Did that upset you in anyway?

Mr. Ruby.

Because you're ashamed to admit you haven't been going regular--yet, you don't want to come out with a blunt answer "No"--it makes you sort of an atheist, and I didn't want to answer it that way, but I do go to the high holidays, but going regular and going to the high holidays are two different ways of going. People that go regular go every Friday night and pretty regular during the week, but my hours were entirely different. I mean----I'm trying to explain that to you.

Mr. Herndon.

Yes; that's what I want you to do. Go ahead, sir.

Mr. Ruby.

I could say "Yes" and I would be lying to you saying "Yes". Anyway, the last couple of years--the last year and a half or 2 years have been very tough to me business wise and I've stayed pretty close, outside the high holidays.

Mr. Herndon.

Did that question disturb you in any regard when I asked, "Did you go to the Dallas police station at any time on Friday----"

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

"Before you went to the synagogue?" You did show some reaction, will you tell me that, sir?

Mr. Ruby.

Because I knew that some man in the trial said I did come down there, and naturally, that came flashing into my mind.

Mr. Herndon.

Was this some man at the trial?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Did he testify?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; Mr. John Rutledge. He said I was down there earlier, when I wasn't--and the association of this man came to my mind. Can you ask me that over again?

Mr. Herndon.

I don't think I have to, Mr. Ruby. I wanted to get your explanation of why. Did you feel a reaction to that question?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; because it's like the Wall Street Journal question--when you asked me that, I get nervous too. When they said they found it in my car, there must be some reason that it was found in my car, When I know I never did see this particular paper.

Mr. Herndon.

Well, at this trial Mr. John Rutledge's testimony conflicted with what you had said, is that correct?

Mr. Specter.

Not what he said, Mr. Herndon. He didn't testify.

Mr. Ruby.

He testified emphatically--it looked like I was trying to find out who this Oswald was, and if I went down there more than once.

Mr. Herndon.

I see. You did feel the reaction on that question?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

I think we can proceed on to the next series.

Mr. Specter.

We're now at series 8, correct?

Mr. Herndon.

The next series will be 8, correct.
(Reporter's note: 7:23 p.m.)

Mr. Specter.

Let fine record show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill have returned now.

Mr. Herndon.

Are you all right, Mr. Ruby?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

We shall continue, and these are questions we want to put to you for this next series.
"Have you ever knowingly attended any meetings of the Communist Party or any other group that advocates violent overthrow of the Government?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, is that question too long for you to answer it clearly?

Mr. Ruby.

No; no.

Mr. Herndon.

Of course, there are two parts there the Communist Party or any other group that advocates the violent overthrow of the Government--do you understand the question?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; very much so.

Mr. Herndon.

And then I will ask you, "Did you legally change your last name?"

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.