Mr. Fowler.

Jack, do you have any objections to Mr. Tonahill being here?

Mr. Ruby.

If Tonahill is going to be here I don't believe he's--I know Bill Alexander is my friend, so he can stay, but Joe is supposed to be my friend.

Mr. Fowler.

Well, we're not putting it on that basis, Jack. This is just purely personal.

Mr. Ruby.

Just let me tell you this, Fowler. I have nothing to gain by Joe being here, because I have nothing to gain.

Mr. Fowler.

All right, all right. Then, we will ask Joe and Mr. Alexander to step out.

Mr. Ruby.

You still want Alexander to step out?

Mr. Fowler.

I certainly think so, Jack.

Mr. Ruby.

Now, Bill, don't say I didn't request you, now?

Mr. Alexander.

I know it, Jack.

Mr. Specter.

May the record, show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill have just gone out of the room.

Mr. Herndon.

Mr. Ruby, it will take me a few moments to get this adjusted. If you desire to talk to Mr. Fowler, if you can sit still and talk it will be all right.
(Conference at this time between Mr. Fowler and Mr. Ruby out of the hearing of the court reporter and others in the room.)

Mr. Herndon.

Do you want to sit Still now, Mr. Ruby. I'm not going to ask you any questions. I just want to get everything adjusted at this time. You will hear a few scratching noises on the paper.
Now, will you take a deep breath, Mr. Ruby, and then relax, sir?

Mr. Ruby.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, just breathe normally.
Now, if everyone will just be quiet for a few moments. There will be no questions asked. I just want to get the instrument adjusted.
(Reporter's note: 3:05 p.m.)

Mr. Herndon.

I made that noise purposely, Mr. Ruby. Now, I'm going to let you get the feel of that cuff as I inflate it, and there will be a little bit of pressure put against your arm. You've had your blood pressure taken by a doctor, I'm sure?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Herndon.

You recall that. It will be the same feeling and I will have to leave it on just for a matter of a few moments, and if you will sit perfectly still and put your feet fiat on the floor and look Straight ahead.
I will now apply a little bit of pressure on that arm. You probably feel a little pressure. All right, sir?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

From time to time I may come over and raise and lower your arm to make sure it's perfectly relaxed.

Mr. Ruby.

That's all right.

Mr. Herndon.

Do you feel your pulse beat?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

You can see and feel your pulse beat and in a moment you can see how it records. Very fine, Mr. Ruby. You have been very cooperative. I don't think we will have any problem.

Mr. Ruby.

You can see the differences of nature if certain things are wrong or right, can't you?

Mr. Herndon.

Well, I have to very carefully interpret what I see. I'm going to take all these things together at a later date into consideration, and I don't see any difficulty.

Mr. Ruby.

Because I want my chief to understand this here and see that.

Mr. Herndon.

Are you a little more relaxed now?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

You seem to be. I don't want to begin until you feel you are perfectly relaxed.