Mr. Ruby.

And then I worked in Chicago for a few months and then I went and enlisted in the Navy in February 1942, and they turned me down because of my eyes, and I went to the draft board and tried to find out how soon my number was coming up and they took my name and address and it was within the next few days that they let me know that they wanted me to come down for an examination.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Ralph Paul?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; very well.

Mr. Hubert.

How long have you known him?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, practically since I have been in Dallas--since 1955, I would say.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you meet him?

Mr. Ruby.

Through Jack at the Vegas Club.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you ever in partnerships with him yourself?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir--I forgot to mention that. I just recall that now. We were in an ice cream business venture.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the name of that; do you know?

Mr. Ruby.

I think it was the Rainbow Ice Cream Palace.

Mr. Hubert.

Where was it located?

Mr. Ruby.

In Wynnewood Shopping Center.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened to that venture?

Mr. Ruby.

It just wasn't successful.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did it last?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, let's see---about 4 months I believe March, April, May, and June I think it only lasted 4 months.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you had any other business arrangements or enterprises with Paul?

Mr. Ruby.

No--but I was in another business with a fellow named Robert Eisman.

Mr. Hubert.

I-s-m-a-n [spelling]?

Mr. Ruby.

No--[spelling] E-i-s-m-a-n.

Mr. Hubert.

What was that business?

Mr. Ruby.

Washateria---we were partners in a coin-operated business--- washateria at the time two of them.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the name of this?

Mr. Ruby.

One was the what was the name on it--it was on 1713 South Ervay Street.

Mr. Hubert.

That was different from the other two you have mentioned here?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did that arrangement last?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, about 3 years.

Mr. Hubert.

When was it dissolved?

Mr. Ruby.

This is 1964 that must have been in March 1960, or 1961.

Mr. Hubert.

Is this man Eisman still in Dallas?

Mr. Ruby.

No; he's living in Fort Worth at the present time he is in the washateria--not washateria, but coin-operated washing machines at the present time.

Mr. Hubert.

What caused you to dissolve that arrangement with Mr. Eisman?

Mr. Ruby.

We had an awful lot of vandalism there in that neighborhood. They cut down water hoses and they would break into the machines and there was just too much vandalism to be profitable.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever been charged or convicted of any felonies?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What has been your relationship with Jack since you came to live in Dallas?

Mr. Ruby.

How do you mean that?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, as brothers--do you visit socially often--you have told us about some of the financial matters between you and I was wondering what was the personal relationship between you?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, outside of that difference we had about the club, he used to come over and visit us for the Jewish holidays and sometimes we would invite him over for an evening to dinner.