Mr. Burleson.

Does he tell you many times that you will never see him again because he will be killed?

Mrs. Grant.

Every time he kisses me goodby that day, he says, "You will never see me again. Do away with yourself."

Mr. Burleson.

To save yourself this punishment?

Mrs. Grant.

That's right.

Mr. Burleson.

What is your opinion as to his present condition mentally?

Mrs. Grant.

I have seen him just 24 hours ago and he was in a very bad state of mind.

Mr. Burleson.

He was in a very bad state of mind?

Mrs. Grant.

That's right.

Mr. Burleson.

How about physically?

Mrs. Grant.

He has lost between 35 and 40 pounds to my knowledge. He looks like he has been in a concentration camp.

Mr. Burleson.

What is his greatest desire as you know it right now?

Mrs. Grant.

He wants to tell the Warren Commission the truth--he wants truth serum and a lie detector test.

Mr. Burleson.

The truth being not going into the psychomotor variant epilepsy.

Mrs. Grant.

He don't know much about that--he doesn't even know what they are talking about.

Mr. Burleson.

He just wants to tell how he felt and how these things affected him?

Mrs. Grant.

That's right.

Mr. Burleson.

I believe that's all on those.

Mrs. Grant.

All right.

Mr. Hubert.

When he tells you these various things, do you try to straighten him out and say to him that it is not so?

Mrs. Grant.

When it first started--I didn't realize this--I hadn't said things--I said, "Don't be crazy," just words like that--"what are you talking crazy," and then when we got to--this Dr. Beavers into the case and I talked to him and he read something of his report and, of course, my sister was here at that time. Every day he would say to her, "You'll never see me again. Kiss me goodby through the glass." You know, if it wasn't so serious it would be funny in a way, because it don't seem like him. It seems that if I agree with him it's no good and I have tried--I realize Dr. Beavers said if you'd try agreeing with him then he says, "You don't believe me, do you ?" He says, "They are playing a game with you, don't believe Phil, don't believe him." And I said, "What about the rabbi?" And he says, "The rabbi don't listen to me." And truthfully, every time the rabbi went up there he came down sick and disgusted with him- self--he's trying to knock some sense into Jack and it don't work--it doesn't register with the rabbi, you see.

Mr. Hubert.

What I wanted to get at--you all are trying to discourage him from having these views?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, after talking to the psychiatrist, I said I don't know what to do. If I tell you, you will agree with him it is no good, and if I don't--I stay there and listen through this glass.

Mr. Burleson.

I might be able to help with that--help clarify that--when he says that they have just killed Earl or Sam or their children, you say, "No, that's not true because I just talked to them?"

Mrs. Grant.

I say, "I just talked to them," and then we'll get onto something and I will try to talk about a friend who wrote a letter or someone came to see him and he goes right back, he says, "There's no more Earl. They have dismantled him." That's the words he uses.

Mr. Burleson.

And do you come back and say, "Well, it's not true because I just talked to him 30 minutes ago or 2 hours ago?"

Mrs. Grant.

Or, he makes me promise, "Will you call them tonight to be sure it's not so--to be sure it wasn't him," and I'll be sure that it is somebody else on the phone. They can check with the calls last Saturday--he made seven calls to Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

Who did?