Mrs. Grant.

No; shortly--it seemed within the next 20 minutes I would think that he may have called.

Mr. Burleson.

Had you seen the ads by Bernard Weissman by the time Jack called?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, I had seen it, but I'll be honest--I didn't----

Mr. Burleson.

Did you see it after you got the paper on the morning of the 22d before Jack called on the 22d?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes, I did.

Mr. Burleson.

And Jack was talking about it at that time?

Mrs. Grant.

He was.

Mr. Burleson.

And would you relate at this time some of the things you recall he said at that time about the Bernard Weissman ad.

Mrs. Grant.

Well, the first thing he asked was if Pauline is going to take over--she was the manager, and do this and do that and get the napkins and all of this stuff connected with the club and then he said, "Did you see the ad?"

Mr. Burleson.

This was before the President was shot?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes. It so happened that that whole page was like on the back of a section--it seemed to me anyway that it was that way and it was open right on my bed--that section, anyway, was opened at that time for some reason or other.

Mr. Burleson.

What did Jack say when he called you about the ad?

Mrs. Grant.

At that time he said, "Did you see the ad?" And I said, "What ad?" He said, "About the President?" And I said, "Yes." It said, "Welcome, Mr. Kennedy," and he didn't say too much then. He said some words in regard like what do you think of it, so I said, "Oh" He said, "Did you read it?" And I says, "Yes, yes." You know, I wanted to get away.

Mr. Burleson.

Had you really read it?

Mrs. Grant.

Even if I did, I'll be honest about it, it didn't appear to me to be bad or good because I didn't read all the way down and think about it and I didn't study it like maybe I did later.

Mr. Burleson.

Anyway, go back to what he said then.

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he said, "Read it." He says, "I'll call you later." And he was in the Dallas Morning News, I think, at that time.

Mr. Burleson.

He said something to lead you to believe that?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; well, he said--it seems to me, "I'm in the News, and I'm going to Toni Zoppi's office," which was somewhere in the building, and "I've got to pick up a pamphlet."

Mr. Burleson.

Toni Zoppi being the entertainment editor or amusement editor of the Dallas Morning News?

Mrs. Grant.

That's right; and Jack had given him an ad a week before on a certain entertainer and that's the fellow that made the remark, but that was Del Mar--Bill DelMar or DeMur or something like that, and Jack wanted it because, I guess, the entertainer wanted all this stuff back--that's what we call writeups.

Mr. Burleson.

When was the next time, then, that you heard from Jack; was that after the assassination?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Burleson.

And at that time what was Jack's state as you recall it?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, I was hysterical myself. He must have been crying, from his voice.

Mr. Burleson.

At the time that he called, did you know that President Kennedy had ,been assassinated?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes; because Pauline had called me and on my clock it was about 25 to 1.

Mr. Burleson.

What was Jack doing--saying--or was he crying?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, when Jack called it was after 1 again.

Mr. Burleson.

How was he---was he upset or normal?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, he was upset.

Mr. Burleson.

What did he say?

Mrs. Grant.

He says, "I'm in the Dallas Morning News," and I could hear--it wasn't distinct, but he says, "The people are all around here, the phones are ringing like hell and everyone is cancelling their subscriptions and their ads--