Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what kind of car he drove?

Mrs. Grant.

No; I was in the club--I wouldn't know what the patrons were driving, but he did repair someone's car and it was a family man that was supposed to go on the road or some darn thing and if I'm not mistaken, as far as I know, my brother never got the money back. It wasn't $800 worth of repairs, but these are the things that he did.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the twistboard deal, can you tell us about that?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; he met a man--I think this man lives in Fort Worth and I think his name is out there somewhere and it says a plastic company on that thing--I'm almost sure it is the same man, and this man was manufacturing them and Jack had a deal with him to cover Texas, and if it went good, Jack would get the whole United States. In fact, I think somewhere in my apartment there might be a twistboard. I don't know if I ever saw-the man or not, but I believe he is in either Arlington or Fort Worth, lived there, and there is a twistboard that Jack--he sold quite a number--he sent some out to different people.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Earl interested in that?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't know. Earl's partner, I think, is a friend that he knows--we call him George in a laundry in Detroit. Whether he was or has been--I don't think Earl wanted--in Earl's business with this man, I think the contract reads he cannot go into another business. I may be wrong, but I'm almost sure that's what I remember Earl saying at one time.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether Earl had any interest in the twistboard operations at all?

Mrs. Grant.

I doubt it, unless he advanced Jack some money, but I don't think there was that much money put into it. The man let Jack have, say, a hundred twistboards and he paid for them and I don't know too much about it, but I did have them in the club and we gave them away as prizes and I know Jack contacted weight salons where women go to reduce about them.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember having any contact whatsoever with Ralph Paul?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

During the period from November 22 through November 24, up until the time Oswald was shot?

Mrs. Grant.

Me?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mrs. Grant.

I don't think I even talked to him during those days.

Mr. Hubert.

That's what I mean.

Mrs. Grant.

You know, I assume him and Jack were very good friends.

Mr. Hubert.

I'm not suggesting to the contrary.

Mrs. Grant.

He never did call me and I never called him--I don't remember calling him. I have called him many times since then.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; I know, but I'm talking about during this particular period of 3 days.

Mrs. Grant.

I don't think he has ever called me I have called him.

Mr. Hubert.

No; I mean---let's restrict ourselves for the moment to the three days of November 22, 23, and 24.

Mrs. Grant.

He may have called me on the 24th of November.

Mr. Hubert.

After Oswald was shot?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, there was at least 20 calls when I did not pick up the phone---people in my home did.

Mr. Hubert.

No, ma'am; that's not what I'm talking about but let me get at it this way--was there any contact between you and Ralph Paul from the time the President was shot until the time Oswald was shot?

Mrs. Grant.

No; definitely not. Can I go back with something?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, ma'am.

Mrs. Grant.

Let me explain about this Raymond Jones. He worked for 19 years at the Dallas Athletic Club and when Jack got in trouble, the very next week he had made a remark .to his boss, whoever he is, "I'm going to see my friend," they said, "Where are you going?" And he said, "I'm going to see my friend," and they said, "Who is your friend?" And he said, "Jack Ruby." They told him that if he went to see Jack that he didn't have a job. He says,