Mr. Hubert.

How long had you known Paul Roland Jones when this occurred?

Mrs. Grant.

Not too many months--if it was 6 months or 8 months--it was the longest.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you done any business with him?

Mrs. Grant.

No--never.

Mr. Hubert.

It was simply through meeting at the club?

Mrs. Grant.

Well this doctor brought him in one afternoon. He knew him because he went to him for treatment.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, that's the first meeting, but thereafter, what was the basis of the meeting?

Mrs. Grant.

Nothing. I mean, he came in, and I went to dinner with him and the doctor once, and we went for a ride, but I'll tell you, the doctor and I didn't know anything about his background.

Mr. Hubert.

He was ultimately charged, was he not, with the possession of narcotics?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes; in fact, we read the story that night. We were shocked. We knew he took trips, we knew he was married to a dancer in New York, but this all came out--wait a minute, his wife came from New York that summer.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, we'll get into that later. Did Jack know Paul Roland Jones at that time?

Mrs. Grant.

If he did--no; I doubt if he ever even heard of him.

Mr. Hubert.

Jack had not come down here yet?

Mrs. Grant.

If he was, he didn't stay long.

Mr. Hubert.

But to your recollection he didn't know Jones at all?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't think he has ever seen him--well, wait a minute, he may have seen the man or heard about him.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand that, but at the time of this episode that you are telling us about?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't think he ever saw him as far as I know, but I want to tell you that Roland Jones went to Chicago during the period of those 6 months and he .did meet my brother Hyman. I don't know what conversation my brother had--my brother thought he was a nice guy--we didn't know anything about his background.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what happened to him?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes; he went to jail for something about narcotics from Turkey or something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have any other charges later against him? Do you know?

Mrs. Grant.

Do you want to know something--I went into a hotel here, and let me think, either the Whitmore or the Southland since he has been out, or when he got out, and this friend of mine said, "Guess who got out of jail?" He said "Paul Roland Jones," and I said, "That's nice."

Mr. Hubert.

How long ago was that?

Mrs. Grant.

This must be 7 years or 8 years--it seems like a long time ago.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you seen him since?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; he was here 2 years ago, I think. He came through and he stopped by the Vegas Club one night. Oh, he says, he got in a cab and he was coming through--he probably was here other times but he didn't want anybody to know--he said he was coming through changing planes and he says he's sure going to be picked up and he says to say hello to Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that?

Mrs. Grant.

Maybe a year and a half or 2 years ago.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him in November 1963?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, no.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk to him on the phone?

Mrs. Grant.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know he was in Dallas?

Mrs. Grant.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there anything you know that would indicate that your brother, Jack, knew he was in Dallas?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

In November 1963?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't know. I'll tell you how I figure this out, if I can go