Mrs. Rich.

I don't know. They would go off some time and I would not even be there. Actually a lot of the stuff that transpired I could not tell you.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this before or after the meeting with the colonel?

Mrs. Rich.

He know Dave before the meeting.

Mr. Griffin.

And how had he met him?

Mrs. Rich.

Through me. And then again I am not clear whether I met him--this is another point I am not clear on. I am not clear whether Bob met Dave and introduced him to me or I introduced Dave to Bob. Here again I am not clear. This may sound ridiculous, but I am not.

Mr. Griffin.

What was your husband's experience with boats?

Mrs. Rich.

Again, factually I cannot tell you. Supposedly he had been in gun running before.

Mr. Griffin.

That is the only experience you know of that he had with boats?

Mrs. Rich.

He claimed he owned a big boat, he and Lee Dell owned a big boat out in California. I guess he did because he had pictures of it and him working around it. I still have the pictures. Now, Lee Dell, there is another man could probably shed some light on this. But God knows where he is. I never met the man. You see, I don't know just exactly what I was involved in.

Mr. Griffin.

And you don't know what your role was to be in this?

Mrs. Rich.

Oh, you mean in this gun-running stuff to Cuba?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Rich.

Just by sheer force of will and apparently because they wanted my husband, I was going to go along.

Mr. Griffin.

You were going to go along as a passenger?

Mrs. Rich.

I was going to help working the boat, because I had knowledge of boats.

Mr. Griffin.

What knowledge did you have of the boats?

Mrs. Rich.

I was born and brought up in Biddeford, Maine. I have worked on lobster boats a good many years off and on. My uncle owns them.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall any occasion on which you went to the University Club and had some drinks and didn't pay for them?

Mrs. Rich.

I don't think I ever paid for drinks at the University Club.

Mr. Hubert.

Why?

Mrs. Rich.

Dave never took money.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go alone?

Mrs. Rich.

I don't remember. I believe so. Maybe, maybe not.

Mr. Hubert.

But they would. not take your money?

Mrs. Rich.

Dave never charged me. He always told me it was all right. And I don't drink anyway. All I drink is coke. Once in a great, great while I w-ill drink either a grasshopper or like last night I was all keyed up so I had a brandy Alexander before I went to bed. But I might have done this five times in 10 years.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember an argument you had with your former and deceased husband, Robert Perrin, in the University Club, which argument was witnessed by Dave Cherry?

Mrs. Rich.

I never had an argument with .my husband in the University Club or anywhere else.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the manager of the University Club telling you that neither you nor your husband could return to the club thereafter?

Mrs. Rich.

I do not.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever telephone Cherry advising him that you were leaving for New Orleans and that you expected to work for the Playboy Club there?

Mrs. Rich.

I believe I did. I might have, because that is what my plans happened to have been.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you in fact work for the Playboy Club?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes, I did.

Mr. Hubert.

For how long?

Mrs. Rich.

2 or 3 nights.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened?

Mrs. Rich.

I didn't like it. For one thing, you were not allowed to keep tips.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you live in New Orleans?

Mrs. Rich.

Part of the time down in one of the Sisters' places, down in the