Mrs. Rich.

if this was true he said it wasn't--the policeman said it was. My husband had a .45. It was not registered.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean a pistol?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes; a service automatic. He had no right carrying it. He had it in the car. At that time he had a little old Nash Rambler station wagon of his own. This cop says when he picked my husband up my husband was standing in a little clearing beside the road there on the way out to Rayburn, brandishing a gun around saying he was going to kill somebody. He come to find out if it was a cop he was going to kill. I will never know to this day whether this was true or not.

Mr. Hubert.

How long after the third meeting did this happen?

Mrs. Rich.

That happened between the second and third meeting, if my time elements are right.

Mr. Hubert.

Was your husband arrested?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes; he was. That is when this Sy Victorson I mentioned earlier in my testimony came in. He was an attorney. Perhaps not too honest in some of the things he does, but a good attorney. And he got my husband out of I had to pay some money. I will never know to this day whether it was true. I can't believe it.

Mr. Hubert.

And that event took place between the second and third meeting, is that right?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How long after the third meeting did you leave Dallas?

Mrs. Rich.

Oh, possibly 2 weeks.

Mr. Hubert.

And what was the reason for leaving Dallas?

Mrs. Rich.

The minute I put a name to that face I said to Bob, "We are getting out of here, and we are getting out fast, right now." That was about 5 o'clock at night. At 8 o'clock we was packed in a U-Haul trailer and out.

Mr. Hubert.

But you did not put the name to the face at the third meeting.

Mrs. Rich.

No; not until about a week later.

Mr. Hubert.

You then drove to New Orleans?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes. But by then everything had fallen into place, because Ruby had had various characters visit him, both from New York, Chicago, even from up in Minneapolis.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you know that?

Mrs. Rich.

I was introduced to some of them. I was asked to go out with some of them.
(At this point, a short recess was taken.)

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I think we left off at the place where you were saying that subsequent to the third meeting Ruby was visited by certain people whose names I do not think you mentioned.

Mrs. Rich.

No; this was prior. This is while I worked for Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

I see.

Mrs. Rich.

I saw them come and go.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Ruby any more after the third meeting?

Mrs. Rich.

I did not. I did not see him in fact at the third meeting.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean after the second.

Mrs. Rich.

Oh, perhaps on the street.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not converse with him about this matter at all?

Mrs. Rich.

I did not. I wanted no truck with the man.

Mr. Hubert.

And your reason for leaving Dallas, you say, was that----

Mrs. Rich.

I smelled an element that I did not want to have any part of.

Mr. Hubert.

And that element was what?

Mrs. Rich.

Police characters, let's say.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, specifically it was, as I understood your testimony, that you suddenly identified the man who was at the third meeting, but not at any other, as possibly being the son of Vito Genovese.

Mrs. Rich.

Possibly.

Mr. Hubert.

And that you made that recognition, or you associated that man whom you saw with Vito Genovese, solely because you had seen a picture of Vito Genovese.

Mrs. Rich.

That's correct.