Mr. Hubert.

And where was that?

Mrs. Rich.

That I don't remember. Junios Street I remember it didn't have a pool--it was a big brick apartment. Again, all of these places I can close my eyes and picture. But I cannot tell you. I can't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you live there with Mr. Perrin?

Mrs. Rich.

At the last address that I don't remember?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; ma'am.

Mrs. Rich.

Probably 3 or 4 months. I think we left Dallas in October and went to New Orleans--either late October or early November.

Mr. Hubert.

What year?

Mrs. Rich.

Of 1962. Now, this is where I am getting confused. It had to have been 1961. This is where I get confused. When I stated before that it was May of 1962, it wasn't. It was May of 1961.

Mr. Hubert.

Why do you make that correction now?

Mrs. Rich.

Well, it couldn't have possibly been in 1962.

Mr. Hubert.

Why?

Mrs. Rich.

My husband died in August of 1962, in New Orleans. And we had been there over a year.

Mr. Hubert.

You had been in New Orleans over a year by the time he died?

Mrs. Rich.

Almost a year. Between New Orleans and Boston, and Miami. You see----

Mr. Hubert.

When did you leave Dallas, then?

Mrs. Rich.

It would be October of 1961.

Mr. Hubert.

That you left Dallas?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And all of these previous dates, May and July, you now wish to correct----

Mrs. Rich.

To 1961.

Mr. Hubert.

And you lived with Mr. Perrin after leaving Dallas in October of 1962--of 1961?

Mrs. Rich.

1961.

Mr. Hubert.

You lived in New Orleans most of the time?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And he died there?

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct. You see, it was New Orleans and Boston.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, I had asked you when you had first met Jack Ruby, and I think you were beginning to tell us when we got into the question of your residences. So now will you tell us how you met Jack Ruby, and when?

Mrs. Rich.

The when I could not tell you exactly. Some time during May or June, I believe. Mr. Ruby's records could tell you, due to the fact that I believe he probably took social security out. But the how was that Mr. Rayburn took me up and got me the job up there. Detective Rayburn.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, how long after you had arrived in Dallas did you meet Mr. Ruby?

Mrs. Rich.

Again, the time element eludes me. It could be anywhere from 2 or 3 weeks to a month.

Mr. Hubert.

It is your thought that it might be that long after you arrived in Dallas under the circumstances that you told us about?

Mrs. Rich.

I don't know. A week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks. The last few years time has become nothing for me.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, what was your occupation with Ruby, and where was it?

Mrs. Rich.

I was bartender at the Carousel Lounge, on Commercial--well, the main street in Dallas.

Mr. Hubert.

Commerce?

Mrs. Rich.

Commerce.

Mr. Hubert.

What were some of the names of the other people who worked with you at that time?

Mrs. Rich.

Buddy King--I should say his professional name is Buddy King--Robert J. Stewart. I am trying to think of the name of that MC. I have been trying to think of it, and I cannot. Ray something or other, I believe. They came and they went.