Mr. Senator.

Yes. I have heard of the name Harrigan. I don't know if Harrigan is KLIF, I am not sure. It says disk jockey. I knew he was something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you met him?

Mr. Senator.

I don't think I have ever met him, but I have heard of that name.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack talk to you about him?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know how I heard of it. Very possibly he may have, but I have heard the name. I know I have heard the name before. I don't know who this other is. I believe it says Chuck Dunnaway.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recognize that name?

Mr. Senator.

No; I am not familiar with these. I am not familiar with these.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know Alex Gruber?

Mr. Senator.

No. As I say, I may know him by face, but I am not familiar with the name.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to hand you Exhibit 5305-M and ask you if you recognize the names on there. I might state for the record that 5305-L is a duplicate of 5305-K, and that is why I didn't hand it to the witness.

Mr. Senator.

Here it says Nick Turman. The reason I say that, I happen to know somebody by the name of Buddy Turman.

Mr. Griffin.

Who is Buddy Turman?

Mr. Senator.

Buddy Turman, I believe, is out on the West Coast. He used to be the light heavyweight or heavyweight champion of Texas, a real fine fellow. That is why I say I don't know Nick.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, was he a friend of Jack's?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, he was of Jack's sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you meet Turman through Jack?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Through Jack?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know if I met Turman through Jack. No, I met him some other place. I met him some other place. I can't think where I met him, but I didn't meet him through Jack, but I have seen him at Jack's place. As a matter of fact, he has helped Jack every now and then. This Nick Turman, I don't know if this is related to him or what it is. I am not familiar with the name Nick. You have got a Norma here, and I know a name Norma, and I can't place it; I wonder if this is somebody who ever worked for him, Norma.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Buddy Turman have any particular dealings, that you know of, with Jack Ruby in the last month or so before----

Mr. Senator.

Oh, Buddy has been gone quite a while. He went to the West Coast. As a matter of fact, the last time I saw Buddy he said he was going to the West Coast to train, because from there now I don't know if it ever materialized--from there he was going to England to fight. I can't think of that heavyweight fighter.

Mr. Griffin.

Bruce Wilcox?

Mr. Senator.

No. Name a couple more. This one fighter didn't fight too long ago. You may have seen him on TV. He is the type that fights very awkward, and sort of a slap like. Do you remember who that is?

Mr. Griffin.

No, I don't. Now, did Jack Ruby have an interest in prize-fighting?

Mr. Senator.

No. I would say that he liked the fights. He liked to watch them.

Mr. Griffin.

But he never expressed any particular interest to you?

Mr. Senator.

No, but he liked to watch the fights.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he ever tell you about any interest he had in the fight game when he was a younger man?

Mr. Senator.

I know that he used to carry Barney Ross' bag around. How young he was or what age, in Chicago, I don't remember. But I know it was as a youngster.
I assume this first name, Tammi, is Tammi True, and I assume the other one is Little Lynn; right? These are only first names. This says Tammi, so I assume that must be Tammi True, and Lynn, that might be Little Lynn.
Wait; I haven't gone through the rest. There is a Dick Lenard there, and I think this man is a booking agency. I think he is.