Mr. Senator.

you afraid of?" You know people say, "What are you afraid of?" I said, "I'm just scared, that is all"--and who wouldn't be?

Mr. Hubert.

So your friends also were asking you as I have been as to what would you be afraid of. That is a fact isn't it?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; they asked me, "What are you afraid of?' I said, "I don't know, I'm just afraid, that is all." I can't say who I am afraid of. I don't know who I am afraid of.

Mr. Hubert.

I know that you wouldn't know necessarily individuals, but you must have done something----

Mr. Senator.

Or groups, individuals or groups as you mentioned. I can't place my finger on it.

Mr. Hubert.

But what I am suggesting to you is that your fear came from the thought that any individual or group that had anything to do with either the slaying of the President or the slaying of Oswald my have you in mind next?

Mr. Senator.

No; my thoughts didn't run that way. My thoughts were nothing but fear, and I didn't have my mind on any groups or anything like that. I just didn't know. It might be an individual crackpot walking the streets, who knows, he doesn't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; I think that is a very understandable reason that you gave us as to the crackpot.

Mr. Senator.

It could be. I don't know what it could be.

Mr. Hubert.

It went beyond that though, didn't it?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Just your fear of a crackpot?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

That is all it was?

Mr. Senator.

When you say "beyond that," what do you mean "beyond that"?

Mr. Hubert.

That your fear went beyond the mere fear that a crackpot would hurt you, your fear and your thought about the matter went to the point that some people other than a crackpot might----

Mr. Senator.

No; I didn't think that way.

Mr. Hubert.

Then are you willing to say that it was only your fear of a crackpot?

Mr. Senator.

I use "crackpot" as one but I don't know how to describe it. Who knows what it could be. It could be an individual walking the street, I don't know. When I was scared I had no particular thing in mind. It was just I was scared, that is all.

Mr. Hubert.

Did it ever occur to you during this period when you were frightened that Jack Ruby might have been set up by someone to kill Oswald?

Mr. Senator.

Run that back again. Let me understand it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did it ever occur to you at anytime after the shooting and when your fears began to develop that Jack Ruby might have been part of a plot to kill Oswald, and that there were others involved in the matter?

Mr. Senator.

None whatsoever.

Mr. Hubert.

That never occurred to you?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was not any part of the basis of your fear?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

As I understand you then, you considered right from the start that this was an individual act on the part of Ruby, unconnected with anyone else?

Mr. Senator.

Run your words again. I've got to follow you.

Mr. Hubert.

I say as I understand it then your thoughts from the very beginning were that Ruby's action was his own and that no one else was connected with it?

Mr. Senator.

Did you say his actions was his own when this thing happened?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; and that you never considered that anyone else was in it at all but Jack Ruby?

Mr. Senator.

No; definitely not. I never thought of anything such as that.