Mr. Senator.

I finished my coffee. I had about a half a cup left, something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not attempt to call Martin again?

Mr. Senator.

No; I didn't call him. I just went direct. I figured if he wasn't home I'd wait for him.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your reason for wanting to see Martin?

Mr. Senator.

Well, after all, this was my roommate. No particular reason. I happened to know he was a lawyer.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go to him as a lawyer or as a friend?

Mr. Senator.

As a friend, as a friend. So I went up there and said, "Jim, what in the world are we going to do?"

Mr. Hubert.

I take it from what you said a moment ago, "After all, he was my roommate", that you felt some concern for yourself.

Mr. Senator.

I'll tell you how I felt. I knew after this had happened, I thought it was best that I volunteered than somebody come after me.

Mr. Hubert.

You thought that somebody would be coming after you?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, eventually they would have to. Eventually somebody would have to be coming after me. After all, I was his roommate.

Mr. Hubert.

I assume you were going to see Martin really to seek his advice as a lawyer as well as a friend?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; what to do. What should I do.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that true of the phone call as well?

Mr. Senator.

Sir?

Mr. Hubert.

Was that motivation true of the phone call to Martin as well?

Mr. Senator.

No. The first call, I was just going to tell him that I heard that Oswald was shot, which the girl told me. But on the second time I didn't

Mr. Hubert.

You realized your position at that time as being his roommate and that gave you concern because you thought that the police might be picking you up?

Mr. Senator.

Sure.

Mr. Hubert.

And you thought you had better have the advice of a lawyer?

Mr. Senator.

To ask him what to do. Should I go down there or what?

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do in fact?

Mr. Senator.

Well, we went down there. We went down there and, of course, we had a tough time getting in. When we got down the place was just jammed.

Mr. Hubert.

How long were you at Martin's house, speaking to him?

Mr. Senator.

I would say maybe 5 minutes, maybe 10 minutes something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

And did you in effect ask him what you should do?

Mr. Senator.

I asked him what I should do and I thought it would be best to go down. He thought so, too.

Mr. Hubert.

It was your suggestion that it would be best to go down, or his.

Mr. Senator.

I think it was a combination of both.

Mr. Hubert.

But in any case, within about 5 minutes the decision had been made?

Mr. Senator.

5 or 10, something like that. I'm not sure of the exact time.

Mr. Hubert.

The decision had been made to go down to the police department. Now, what was the purpose of going down there?

Mr. Senator.

I went down there, I thought it would be best if I go down there than to be picked up, because after all, I'm his roommate and I know they are going to eventually pick me up, because I was living with him.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, the idea was that you were going to go down there and say, "Now look, I'm George Senator. I was a roommate of Jack Ruby's and do you have anything to ask of me?" That was it?

Mr. Senator.

I would probably say it was in the nature of that; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Incidentally, a moment ago you said that you were sleeping with Jack Ruby, and in some circles sleeping with someone is----

Mr. Senator.

I said I was what?

Mr. Hubert.

You were sleeping with Jack Ruby.

Mr. Senator.

I was sleeping with him?