Mr. Hubert.

How does that relate, how does your getting this employment relate to your moving from Jack's apartment?

Mr. Senator.

Jack likes to live alone in the overall picture. First of all, it is an interference of the time that I wake up and the time that he goes to bed which don't coincide. That is part. And then Jack don't live too clean. I mean he is a type--in other words, he comes home, he is reading a newspaper, on the floor, if he is in the bathroom the newspaper goes on the floor and things of that nature. Though he was very clean about himself, he wasn't clean around the apartment.

Mr. Hubert.

I judge from what you tell me then that your real reasons for moving were those that you just mentioned rather than the fact that you got employment selling postcards? Is that correct?

Mr. Senator.

Why I moved?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Please run that back again.

Mr. Hubert.

I say I judge from what you have said that the real reason for your moving from the apartment with Jack in 1962 was your dissatisfaction with the living conditions rather than that you got a job selling postcards?

Mr. Senator.

No; not necessarily. I mean that is part of it. That is not necessarily it; no.

Mr. Hubert.

How does the postcard job, selling postcards, contribute or how did it contribute to the fact that you had to move from Jack?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, I didn't have to. I didn't have to; but this way here I started to get self-sustaining a lithe bit.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, I see. So you had a steady job?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; see, the other way, when I was living with Jack, of course, I was helping him at the club. I was helping him at the club, and, of course, I abided by everything he said and did.

Mr. Hubert.

So the reasons for moving then, were a combination of factors. One, that you were dissatisfied generally with the living conditions as you have indicated?

Mr. Senator.

That is only partially it. I had a chance to go out.

Mr. Hubert.

And you were financially better off and you had a chance to go with Corbat, and you did?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And how long did you stay with Corbat?

Mr. Senator.

When I went in with Corbat, of course, he only had a one-bedroom apartment and I had to sleep on the couch again. I slept on so many couches lately. So I told Stun, I told this friend of mine, Corbat, when we were staying on Maple Avenue, that just as soon as I get a little extra money I want to get a two-bedroom apartment and that is where I moved into this last apartment, 225 South Ewing.

Mr. Hubert.

That was about when?

Mr. Senator.

I moved in there, I believe it was the latter part of November of 1962, we found a nice two-bedroom apartment that was very reasonable. I told Jack about it and Jack moved next door.

Mr. Hubert.

But he moved later than you, didn't he?

Mr. Senator.

Well, see, I moved in first.

Mr. Hubert.

With Corbat?

Mr. Senator.

No. Yes; first I went in alone, no furniture or nothing. I moved in alone and I was there approximately about a week or something like that, and Corbat stayed over at the other place because he wanted to finish the balance of the month out. He wanted his last days in there, you know, for we paid for the rent, and then he moved in right after that.

Mr. Hubert.

He moved in with you?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was in November of 1962?

Mr. Senator.

I believe it was the latter part of November of 1962.

Mr. Hubert.

When did Ruby move in?

Mr. Senator.

He moved in around that same time.

Mr. Hubert.

But after you?