(Testimony of Ralph Paul)
Mr. Hubert.
without indicating whether he knew about it or not, as far as you could tell, he says, "I'll see what I can do." And that was the end of the conversation?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you make any appointment to meet him yourself?
Mr. Paul.
Who--Tom?
Mr. Hubert.
Yes.
Mr. Paul.
No; I went down to his office anyway.
Mr. Hubert.
So, you were at the Bull Pen at that conversation and you went where?
Mr. Paul.
Downtown.
Mr. Hubert.
Where did you go?
Mr. Paul.
I went to the John and I and the girl went down to the police station and I saw Tom Howard there.
Mr. Hubert.
Inside the station?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Whereabouts was it, do you know?
Mr. Paul.
It was right off the ,entrance to the as you walk in-do you know where the entrance is when you walk in?
Mr. Hubert.
From Harwood Street?
Mr. Paul.
What?
Mr. Hubert.
On Harwood Street?
Mr. Paul.
No; it's on Commerce.
Mr. Hubert.
Not the basement ramp?
Mr. Paul.
The basement ramp.
Mr. Hubert.
You went through the basement ramp?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
What time was that, about?
Mr. Paul.
Maybe 1 o'clock, and so we meet him, and he says, "They won't let you see him anyway, you had better go over and stay at the office. I think it's on television." So we walked over to his office and we watched television until about 3 o'clock.
Mr. Hubert.
That was Jackson and you and Howard?
Mr. Paul.
No; not Howard--a girl Tammi True.
Mr. Hubert.
Tammi True and you went to Howard's office?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
And Howard was there?
Mr. Paul.
No; I was in the courthouse he sent us over there.
Mr. Hubert.
Howard sent you to his office to watch television?
Mr. Paul.
Yes; to watch television.
Mr. Hubert.
And he went where, do you know?
Mr. Paul.
I don't know.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know what he did?
Mr. Paul.
No; he---some more lawyers they all got together and then they left again and they came back again and riding into town, that's when we heard that Oswald was dead--died.
Mr. Hubert.
When you got to Howard's office, you knew he had died?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Did Howard tell you he had tried to get a writ of habeas corpus for Ruby?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
And what happened to that proceeding, do you know?
Mr. Paul.
I don't know.
Mr. Hubert.
So you stayed there, you said, until about when?
Mr. Paul.
3 o'clock.
Mr. Hubert.
Who is Tammi True?
Mr. Paul.
That's one of the girls that worked at the club before she was an entertainer.
Mr. Hubert.
Was she at the Bull Pen?
Mr. Paul.
No; she Hues in Fort Worth.
Mr. Hubert.
How did she come to be riding with you and Jackson?
Mr. Paul.
She came up to the Bull Pen when she heard about Jack Ruby.
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