(Testimony of Ralph Paul)
Mr. Hubert.
Even when he parked his car at night he wouldn't take it upstairs?
Mr. Paul.
What do you mean--no; he never took it up to the house he left it in the car.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you ever have occasion to know how much money he had around like that?
Mr. Paul.
No, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, of course, you know, I suppose, from the newspapers and w. hat you have heard that when he was arrested he had altogether on his person and in the car an so forth, something in excess----
Mr. Paul.
It was in the car too, wasn't it?
Mr. Hubert.
Some of it, yes; but to your knowledge, most of the time he didn't keep it on his person at all?
Mr. Paul.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
What about the gun, did he keep that on his person?
Mr. Paul.
It's a funny thing about the gun--he would always carry it in a bag, in a deposit bag, a money bag.
Mr. Hubert.
A canvas bag, and----
Mr. Paul.
Unless he went some place special, because he always said somebody might want to beat him up.
Mr. Hubert.
What do you mean by "some place special"--like what?
Mr. Paul.
Well, like if he was going out on a date or something, you know, I mean he wouldn't carry the bag. I mean, if he went to a show or something, he wouldn't carry the bag.
Mr. Hubert.
But he took his gun?
Mr. Paul.
No; he left it in the bag. The only time he would carry the gun--the bag was if he wasn't going to no place or he went home if he went to eat, he would take it with him.
Mr. Hubert.
The gun or the bag?
Mr. Paul.
The bag with the gun.
Mr. Hubert.
From his car?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
But yet he would leave it outside all night?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
In the car?
Mr. Paul.
In the car.
Mr. Hubert.
But let me see if I get this straight--if he was going to eat, he would go to his car, take the money out of the trunk----
Mr. Paul.
No; the bag.
Mr. Hubert.
The bag--with the gun only?
Mr. Paul.
The gun.
Mr. Hubert.
He would leave the money there and take the bag with the gun, and then carried the gun in that fashion?
Mr. Paul.
Yes, many times he would be driving my car, he would leave the bag and the money on the bottom and lock the car.
Mr. Hubert.
And the gun would be in there with the bag and the money?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
But you say that there were occasions when he would take the gun alone, leaving the money behind, but the gun not in a-holster, but in a bag?
Mr. Paul.
But in a bag-so everybody thought he was carrying money.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know if he ever owned a holster?
Mr. Paul.
No, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you ever see him carry the gun in a pocket or tucked in his waist?
Mr. Paul.
No, sir; I never did.
Mr. Hubert.
The only time you have ever seen him carry his gun was when he carried it in a bag?
Mr. Paul.
In the bag.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know a man by the name of Gruber that lives out in California?
Mr. Paul.
Gruber?
Mr. Hubert.
Gruber [spelling] G-r-u-b-e-r.
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