(Testimony of Ralph Paul)
Mr. Paul.
No, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
You don't know her at all?
Mr. Paul.
I never heard of her.
Mr. Hubert.
And I think he has another sister called Mrs. Anna Volpert.
Mr. Paul.
No; I don't know her, either.
Mr. Hubert.
You never met any of the other brothers and Risers?
Mr. Paul.
Yes; Sam and his wife, and Eva and Earl, and that's all.
Mr. Hubert.
And then Hyman?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Sam, Of course, you have seen more often than any of them?
Mr. Paul.
Oh, yes; Sam--well, we were partners for about 3 or 4 months.
Mr. Hubert.
Yes; but you had no other business relations after that.
Mr. Paul.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
Welt, can you tell me why it was that this man owed you this kind of money and you had the stock at least for security for something; you gave it to Eva; what caused that to come about; did she ask you, or did you volunteer to do that?
Mr. Paul.
No; I voluntarily gave it to her so she could sell the club.
Mr. Hubert.
In other words, your thought was that it wasn't anything to you?
Mr. Paul.
I told her, "I don't want nothing out of it; I don't want nothing, I take my loss." And I let her have it. If she could sell it--to take the money and use it for herself, because she's a poor widow and she will verify everything I said--just the words.
Mr. Hubert.
Did she tell you that she had the other 500 shares?
Mr. Paul.
No; she just told me last week--she was over at my place, and she told me she didn't know who had the other 500 shares.
Mr. Hubert.
Has anyone asked Earl about it?
Mr. Paul.
I didn't ask Earl about it.
Mr. Hubert.
What about Jack himself?
Mr. Paul.
I don't know.
Mr. Hubert.
Have you seen Jack since he has been in jail?
Mr. Paul.
I have seen him three times since he has been in there one time I seen him--about 4 weeks ago--the time before I went to New York, the week before I went to New York I was down there, the 27th, I think it was, and I came back the 2d.
Mr. Hubert.
That was of April?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
And you saw him once just before that?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
That was the first time you had seen him since he had been in Jail?
Mr. Paul.
No; I saw him twice when he first got into Jail--twice I saw him then.
Mr. Hubert.
In other words, there was the last time you saw him in jail and. then you saw him two other times before that?
Mr. Paul.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
When were those times--about?
Mr. Paul.
I think about the second week and the fourth week--I think.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you discuss with him his business?
Mr. Paul.
No, sir--no, sir; I didn't discuss it--I didn't discuss nothing--how could you discuss a man's business when he is held for murder?
Mr. Hubert.
Of course, I didn't mean that you would bring up the subject, but I was wondering if perhaps he had asked about it?
Mr. Paul.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
In other words, you have been unable to get from any source Jack or Earl or Eva or Sam or anybody else where the other 500 shares are?
Mr. Paul.
That's right.
Mr. Hubert.
And you gave your 500 you held to her--you received nothing in return for it?
Mr. Paul.
No; what I told her to do was to pay the Government.
Mr. Hubert.
And from all you know, she doesn't even know where the other 500 shares are?
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