Mrs. Nichols.

Well, I didn't know him too well. I talked to him a few times, but he seemed very nice to me.

Mr. Griffin.

DO you know how he earned his living before he bought the Silver Spur?

Mrs. Nichols.

No; I know that before, he had punchboards for a while, before it became illegal in Texas, and that is the only business that I know of that he had. I was under the impression that he had a little money, that he had saved a little money.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack ever sell punchboards in Texas?
Mrs. NICHOLS: Not that I know of.

Mr. Griffin.

Now I think you indicated to the FBI that Gimpel is dead?

Mrs. Nichols.

That is what I heard.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you hear that he died?

Mrs. Nichols.

I don't remember. Jack Ruby called me and told me that he had died, but I don't know how long ago that was.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he die here in Dallas?

Mrs. Nichols.

No. I believe he said he died in Oklahoma.

Mr. Griffin.

As you have had a chance to sit here, Mrs. Nichols, do you recall any better as to when it was that Gimpel died?

Mrs. Nichols.

It is since I stared going with Jack Ruby, and it was several years ago.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you still going with Jack Ruby at the time he died?

Mrs. Nichols.

No; I was not.

Mr. Griffin.

While you were dating Jack Ruby, how often did Jack see Mr. Gimpel?

Mrs. Nichols.

Well, he was usually, he helped Jack around the nightclub, the Silver Spur and the Vegas Club, and I used to see him when we would go in there.

Mr. Griffin.

What sort of help would he give?

Mrs. Nichols.

Well, he just would sort of manage it, see that everything was going all right. I think I had seen him use the cash register. Just anything that was needed to be done around there.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, did Jack pay him for what he did?

Mrs. Nichols.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

I believe you mentioned in your interview with the FBI that Jack was friendly with a man named Rocky Robinson. Do you remember that name?

Mrs. Nichols.

I never did see Rocky Robinson but about twice, and then it was when we would be some place and he would be; we would run into him. I never did see him with Jack.

Mr. Griffin.

I think you indicated to the Bureau that you thought that Jack sold the Silver Spur to Rocky Robinson?

Mrs. Nichols.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now you have also testified that you thought he sold the Silver Spur to Martin Gimpel?

Mrs. Nichols.

Well, now, he sold the Silver Spur to Martin Gimpel first, right after he sold or right after he lost the Bob Wills Ranch House. He sold the Silver Spur to Martin Gimpel, and he went back to Chicago and stayed 6 weeks, and then he came back and took over the Silver Spur again from Martin Gimpel, and then it was later on he sold the club to Rocky Robinson.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. Why did Jack come back from Chicago?

Mrs. Nichols.

Well, he told me that he liked Dallas. He wanted to stay here.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, I presume when he left, did he intend to stay in Chicago permanently?

Mrs. Nichols.

I think that he did plan to stay in Chicago permanently when he left.

Mr. Griffin.

What happened in Chicago that made him change his mind after he had been there for 6 weeks?

Mrs. Nichols.

I thought it was because Martin Gimpel didn't want to run the Silver Spur and Jack had a chance to buy it back, and he came back.

Mr. Griffin.

What makes you think that Jack actually sold the Silver Spur to Martin Gimpel?