Mr. Griffin.

I believe also that the building that Jack had the Carousel Club in is owned by the Nichols' family or by the Nichols' estate.

Mrs. Nichols.

Yes; I have heard that.

Mr. Griffin.

Is that any relationship to your husband?

Mrs. Nichols.

No; there is no relationship.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to meet Jack Ruby?

Mrs. Nichols.

I first saw him in a grocery store.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was that?

Mrs. Nichols.

It was close to his Silver Spur nightclub, there.

Mr. Griffin.

South Ervay Street?

Mrs. Nichols.

Yes. I was in a grocery store.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you living in that general area?

Mrs. Nichols.

No. My mother lived close by.

Mr. Griffin.

And you never met him before?

Mrs. Nichols.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack come up and talk to you?

Mrs. Nichols.

No; he didn't. I had my daughter with me, and later on when I was waiting for the bus to go home, he saw me standing on the corner and he came over and introduced himself.

Mr. Griffin.

About when was that?

Mrs. Nichols.

That was the early part of 1949. I don't know the exact date.

Mr. Griffin.

I think in your earlier interview with Agent Sayres on the 25th, you indicated that you thought you had met him in about 1948. Have you had a chance to think since then so that your feeling now is that it was 1949?

Mrs. Nichols.

I don't remember. I started going with him the latter part of 1949, and I don't remember the exact date. It was several months after I first saw him before I ever went with him. I would say it was 1948, winter of 1948 and 1949, somewhere in there.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, is there anything by which you place it? You mean that would have been late 1948, or early 1949?

Mrs. Nichols.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mrs. Nichols.

I don't remember the month.

Mr. Griffin.

Any particular way that you place it at that period? Anything in your life that is significant that would place it in late 1948?

Mrs. Nichols.

No; I can't remember whether the weather was cold or what I had on; whether I was wearing a coat.

Mr. Griffin.

I mean the particular year. Anything happen during the year 1948 that sticks out in your mind so that you could date your meeting Ruby in relationship to that event?

Mrs. Nichols.

No; I can't remember exactly when I first met him, first saw him.

Mr. Griffin.

How old is your daughter?

Mrs. Nichols.

My daughter is 25.

Mr. Griffin.

So if it were 1948, she would have been about 9 years old?

Mrs. Nichols.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Griffin.

When you started to date Jack, how often did you see Jack?

Mrs. Nichols.

It's been so long ago. I think at first I probably saw him about once a week, and then later on in the year or so, I would say about twice a week, was about the most I ever saw him.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Jack the kind of man that had any family interests or seemed to show any interest in settling down?

Mrs. Nichols.

Well, in settling down?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; in getting married and raising a family and leading a conventional kind of married life?

Mrs. Nichols.

He talked about it some for a period of time. Not all the time I was going with him.

Mr. Griffin.

How would you describe Jack in terms of his impressions and what he would look forward to and the kind of things he liked?

Mrs. Nichols.

Well, I think that Jack had a lot of drive. He was ambitious.