Mr. Bieberdorf.

city jail wear. He had on different clothes than he had on at 2:05, and I explained to him what I had been asked to do and we found a little room just off the main lobby there, and went in there, and he ,bent over and I performed a rectal examination on him, and he made the comment that this was the worst massage that he had ever had, and that is all the conversation that I recall. The only comment that I recall that he made. That was at the 6 o'clock visit.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Any other corrections you have to make?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

I believe that is all.

Mr. Hubert.

As to Exhibit 5123?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

That's all.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Ruby, at any time, make any comments as to his motive, or his intent?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

At neither time that I saw him was the shooting brought up. I did not mention it and he did not mention it, and it was all the talk we had.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me put it to you this way; do you consider that taking the FBI report which has been identified as Exhibit 5123, and taking also your deposition today, including your identification on the chart, which is 5124, that there has now been recorded all you know about this matter, completely?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, have you been interviewed by any member of the Commission's staff prior to the time---

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Not by the Commission.

Mr. Hubert.

None of the Commission's staff?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

I mean by the Commission's staff.

Mr. Hubert.

Other than myself?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Well, not that I know of. I was interviewed, of course, by the FBI man.

Mr. Hubert.

Insofar as our interview is concerned, today, prior to the commencement of this deposition, was there anything in that interview which is inconsistent with your deposition taken after the interview ended?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

I believe not.

Mr. Hubert.

Anything of material nature which was discussed in the interview which has not been brought out in this deposition?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

All right; I think that is it, sir.
Thank you.

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Mrs. Frances Cason

Testimony of Mrs. Frances Cason

The testimony of Mrs. Frances Cason was taken at 4:10 p.m., on April 1, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex, by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the deposition of Mrs. Frances Cason [spelling] F-r-a-n-c-e-s?

Mrs. Cason.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Mrs. Cason, my name is Leon Hubert, I am a member of the advisory staff of the General Counsel on the President's Commission. Under the provisions of the Executive Order 11130, dated November 29, 1963, the Joint Resolution of Congress No. 137, and the rules and procedure adopted by the Commission in conformance with the Executive order and joint resolution, I have been authorized to take a sworn deposition from you. Mrs. Cason, I state to you now that the general nature of the Commission's inquiry is to ascertain, evaluate and report upon the facts relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey Oswald. In particular as to you, Mrs. Cason, the nature of the inquiry today is to determine the facts you know about the death of Oswald and any other pertinent facts you may know about the general inquiry.