Mr. Bieberdorf.

removed to the operating room." He was removed to the operating room via an elevator, and at that point that was the point I last saw him.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he alive at that point?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

He was still alive at that time. I am just going by hearsay, now. He was said to have died--well, he was still moving around at that time, so, he was definitely alive.

Mr. Hubert.

You were with him in the ambulance all the way through?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And when he got to the ambulance you saw signs of life?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Although, I did not until we got about halfway to Parkland.

Mr. Hubert.

You thought he was dead?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

He I surmised he was dead until he started moving a little bit.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he make any statement at all?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

He did not utter any sound at all, that I heard.

Mr. Hubert.

Any other corrections?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Let's see. On page 3, the second paragraph, "Bieberdorf states that he was not acquainted with Jack Ruby, but that he did interview Ruby in the police jail on Sunday, November 24, at about 4 or 5 p.m."
This time---I looked it up at a later date, and it was at exactly 2:05 p.m., rather than my estimation at that time of 4 or 5 p.m.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, have you any other on that document 5123?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Well, there are a few more.

Mr. Hubert.

Otherwise, it stated correctly the nature of the physical examination that you gave to Ruby and the findings?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

The next sentence that follows that is correct, but then there is another. That same paragraph, the last sentence in this paragraph reads, "Bieberdorf states that he gave Ruby a physical examination at this time in order to insure Ruby had not concealed any weapon on his person."
This is not correct here. Later on in the afternoon of November 24, I was asked by the police or Lieutenant--I believe in charge of the jail at that to go upstairs and at the request of detectives and one of the FBI agents, I performed a rectal examination on him to make sure he had not smuggled--or to see if he had brought,anything in on his person.
This was at 6 p.m., so, I did see Ruby on two occasions. One at 2:05 and one at 6. I think that report tends to indicate it was only one.

Mr. Hubert.

It really was two, and you have explained it.

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Okay, on page 3, the last paragraph, second sentence, "He stated he had no knowledge of security measures in effect in the basement on November 24, 1963, other than the fact that he was asked to remove himself from the basement, and he assumed only police officers and press men were allowed to remain." I think that sentence ought to be deleted and changed to something like: "I was asked to remove myself from the basement parking area at--prior to Oswald's being moved, and was told by police officers at that time that only police personnel were being allowed in the area, and I, of course, later saw that press men were able to gain access to the area by presenting their credentials."
And that is, I think, the only correction.

Mr. Hubert.

About what time did you move from the first aid----

Dr. Bieberdorf.

9:45. It states that earlier in here. States that on the first page.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you remain in the position indicated by you on the chart, which has been identified as Exhibit 5124, all that while? In other words, you were told by the police to leave the----

Dr. Bieberdorf.

To leave the parking area, and I left there, and at the time of the shooting I was at that particular spot.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, the spot that----

Dr. Bieberdorf.

That I marked on that you have marked the No. 5124.

Mr. Hubert.

Between the time that you left and the time of the shooting, where were you?