Mr. Hubert.

Deposition of Dr. Fred Bieberdorf." I am signing my own name on the first page; on the second page I am placing my initials in the lower right-hand corner, the same with the third and the same with the fourth and last. In order that the record may show that we are both talking about the same document, I ask you please to sign your name under my signature, or by it, and place your initials also on the subsequent pages. Now, Doctor, addressing ourselves to the exhibit marked now for identification as 5123, I ask you if you have read it?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

I have read it.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it correct and true?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

In the main, it is. There are a few corrections in it and additions that I would like to make.

Mr. Hubert.

Very well. Suppose that we do it this way. If you can identify by page, paragraph and sentence that part which you need to have modified by reading in quotes, as it were, stating then for the record, "quote, unquote," and then make the comment. I think that the record will be better in that way.

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Okay. First of all, throughout this document my last name is misspelled.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, let's see. To get that straight, your last name is [spelling] B-i-e-b-e-r-d-o-r-f?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

And it is spoiled "B-e-i," instead of B-i-e.

Mr. Hubert.

I see.

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Okay. And on page 1, paragraph 2, on the second sentence of that paragraph that reads, "He stated he relieved a Bill Hall, former classmate, who had been on duty since noon of the previous day."

Mr. Hubert.

Now, what is the comment you have to make about that?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Well, he is not a classmate. He is a medical student, but he is not a classmate of mine.

Mr. Hubert.

Otherwise, the sentence is correct?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Otherwise it is correct. Okay. In that same on page 1, second paragraph, the sixth sentence, which reads, "He advised that from his position he had an unobstructed view of the basement parking area and that he did not notice if there were any doors between them and the basement area."
The position that they are talking about that has been previously identified, I did not have what you would call an unobstructed view of the area, due to the presence of somewhere around 20, somewhere between 15 and 20 newsmen that were standing between me and the basement parking area.

Mr. Hubert.

Where were you standing? Does that Exhibit 5123, state?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

It states that I was standing in the basement at an intersection of the hallway beneath the city hall.

Mr. Hubert.

Isn't that correct?

Dr. Bieberdorf.

That is correct, and I suppose that is the only intersection of hallways underneath the city hall to the basement. I can assure you on this [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Yes. All right, now, in connection with your explanation of the sentence you have just quoted, I want to ask you what your position was in the jail basement area. Now, you have examined the mockup which is in this room, and in order to make a permanent record of where you pointed out you were, I am marking a chart of the basement as follows: "Dallas, Tex., March 31, 1964. Exhibit 5124. Deposition of Dr. Fred Bieberdorf." I am signing my name, and below that, and in order that the record may show that we are both talking about the same document, I ask you to sign your name below mine, and then correlating the mockup and the chart marked Exhibit 5124, ask you to place an "X" and encircle the "X" as to the position you were standing at the time of the shooting.

Dr. Bieberdorf.

Let me look at this. Yes, that is the exact way. This is accurate [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you have marked----

Dr. Bieberdorf.

I drew in another line to represent the wall around the corner.

Mr. Hubert.

You have also placed an "X" in your own handwriting, and I am writing now the following: "Position of Dr. Bieberdorf at the time of shooting."