Mr. Hubert.

had to do with a suggestion by you as to what the witnesses who were members of the police department might be called in the prosecution.

Mr. Sorrels.

Oh, yes; I remember that.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us, first of all, when it was?

Mr. Sorrels.

As I recall, it was after the trial of Ruby had started, or along about the time it was beginning to start. I contacted Chief Curry and told him----

Mr. Hubert.

Is this by phone, or was it by personal interview?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; as I recall it was by phone that there were two uniformed police officers that were present when I talked to Ruby on the fifth floor of the city jail on the morning of November 24, and that I had not warned Ruby of his constitutional rights and did not know whether or not the statement that he had made to me would be admissible in a trial in the event that the district attorney wanted to use it.
But----

Mr. Hubert.

Had you been at that time consulted by the district attorney with reference to your being a possible witness?

Mr. Sorrels.

I do not recall that I had.
Now, here is something that will establish that. The district attorney, Henry Wade, came to Washington--I don't know whether it was in connection with talking to the Commission or what--but I saw him out at the airport, and he said to me----

Mr. Hubert.

What airport?

Mr. Sorrels.

This was before the trial--Love Field, in Dallas.
He was Coming to Washington. And he said to me, "I want to talk to you when I get back about this case."
And I said, "All right."
And I did not hear anything more from Mr. Wade until the trial was actually in progress. He asked me to come to his office, which I did.

Mr. Hubert.

That is Wade?

Mr. Sorrels.

That is Henry Wade; yes, sir, the State district attorney that prosecuted Ruby for the murder of Oswald.
And, at that time, I related to him the conversation I had had with Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you relate to him in that interview approximately what you have told us today about your interviews with Ruby?

Mr. Sorrels.

Only the one up in the jail--I was talking about that. I didn't go into detail about this one where Captain Fritz was interviewing him. That was only there at the jail.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there any reason why one was talked about and not the other?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; no particular reason, excepting that I just assumed that Captain Fritz would be the one if there was any testimony as to the second interview--would be the one to testify in that case.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Wade know that you were present at beth?

Mr. Sorrels.

I would not say positive, but it seems to me that it was mentioned that I was present when we talked, but I am. not positive on that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did this interview with Wade occur before or after the telephone conversation with Curry?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; that was afterwards. That was after the trial started.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, which was afterwards?

Mr. Sorrels.

The interview with Mr. Wade.

Mr. Hubert.

That came after the telephone conversation with Curry?

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Mr. Wade consider using you as a witness?

Mr. Sorrels.

He said if he needed me, he would let me know--in other words, would get in touch with me.
He said, "Now, the defense may subpoena you on this thing."
And defense attorney--one of them was in on that case did call me on the telephone. They wanted me to meet with either Tonahill or Belli, or maybe both of them. And I told them I was extremely busy.
He said, "How about having dinner with us?"