Mr. Hubert.

Now, when you went down there to the jail office and saw Oswald, as you testified, and made the call, was Jack Ruby there?

Mr. Sorrels.

I did not see him.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not?

Mr. Sorrels.

No, sir.

Mr. Hurert.

To your knowledge, he had already been removed?

Mr. Sorrels.

That is correct; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, how did you get up to Fritz' office?

Mr. Sorrels.

I went back up the elevator, the regular public elevator, and went to his office and inquired of Captain Fritz, and I was informed that he was not there, that he had gone to the hospital. I then asked him where was Jack Rubin.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, you had been informed at that time that the last name of Jack Ruby was Rubin, R-u-b-i-n?

Mr. Sorrels.

I still--as far as I knew, it was R-u-b-i-n, because that is the way I gave it. I asked him where he was, and they said he was on the fifth floor. And I said I would like to talk to him. And----

Mr. Hubert.

Who did you say that to?

Mr. Sorrels.

I do not recall who it was--some of the detectives down there.

Mr. Hubert.

In Fritz' office?

Mr. Sorrels.

In Captain Fritz' office; yes. And Officer Dean was instructed to take me up to where he was.

Mr. Hubert.

Who instructed Dean to do that?

Mr. Sorrels.

The same officer I was talking to--I don't remember who it was, but someone apparently----

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know Dean prior to that time?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; I cannot say that I did. So----

Mr. Hubert.

Where was Dean?

Mr. Sorrels.

That was in the detective office, Captain Fritz----

Mr. Hubert.

What was he doing?

Mr. Sorrels.

I don't know what he was doing.

Mr. Hubert.

In any case, the same officer to whom you made inquiry concerning where Captain Fritz was and where Ruby was, that officer directed Dean, who was in Fritz' office, to take you up?

Mr. Sorrels.

That is right.
And we walked out then in the hallway to the jail elevator. Now, that is a different one from the one I came to Fritz' office in. And I was taken to the fifth floor, and there I saw Ruby, whom I later found out to be Ruby, standing there with, as I recall it, two uniformed police officers. And I introduced myself to him, showed him my credentials, and told him that I would like to ask him some questions.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, was this a cell, or what sort of a room was it?

Mr. Sorrels.

It wasn't what you would call a cell, but the elevator--you had to open up a door with bars on it to get into the area there. And----

Mr. Hubert.

How large a room was that?

Mr. Sorrels.

It wasn't very large, as I recall it.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you give us something by way of dimensions in feet?

Mr. Sorrels.

I would say in width it was probably about, oh, 6 or 7 feet wide. Now, as to length, I would not be able to say exactly how long it was, because I was not interested in the size of the room or anything at that time, and I paid no attention to it.

Mr. Hubert.

Were there tables and furniture and chairs in it?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; nothing.

Mr. Hubert.

Nothing at all?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; nothing. He was standing there. He only had his shorts on. His clothes had been removed.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Dean go into that room with you?

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

So that there were you and Dean and Ruby in the room?

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you mentioned there were two other officers?

Mr. Sorrels.

As I recall it, there were two uniformed police officers there.