Mr. Sorrels.

which is glass at the top, but they would not be able to see anyone sitting, for example, where Oswald would have been sitting at the time that I saw him in Captain Fritz' office.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, there was a glass door to what might be called the outer office of Captain Fritz' office.

Mr. Sorrels.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

But the inner office, while it had a glass door, it did not face on an area in which the press was located.

Mr. Sorrels.

That's right. It also had Venetian-type blinds on the doors, and the other part of his office was glass from the upper part.

Mr. Hubert.

While you were up there at any time during the period we are talking about, did you ever observe anyone known to you to be a civilian who was not either a police officer or connected with the news media in some way?

Mr. Sorrels.

No; I do not; well, I will take that back. You are talking about when Oswald was around?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, yes. But also I want to broaden it to any time.

Mr. Sorrels.

The reason I asked that question is that Jack Ruby's sister was in his office with another lady after Ruby was in custody, and at that time they were in there with Mr. Jim Underwood from radio station KRLD who was trying to make arrangements for Ruby's sister to get up in the jail to see him. But prior to that, I do not know, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, were you present at a meeting at which the news media were present and Oswald was brought into an assembly room, in which the news media were assembled?

Mr. Sorrels.

I was present when Oswald was brought into what is called the lineup room, which is also the assembly room. They have the lineup section at one end of it. That was on the evening of November 22. At that time it was my request, because a witness who had been interviewed by me, and who had seen the person fire the-third shot from the window of the Book Depository Building, I had gotten in touch with him through one of our agents, and he was brought down there for the specific purpose of being able to see Oswald, because when he was first interviewed by me he stated that he thought he could identify him.

Mr. Hubert.

That was in fact, however, a true lineup for the purpose of identification.

Mr. Sorrels.

I am sorry--I did not understand the question.

Mr. Hubert.

I said that was a true lineup for the purpose of identification.

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I was speaking of another meeting where the assembly room usually used for the lineup was used to give the press an opportunity to see Oswald.

Mr. Sorrels.

I was not present. That is the only time I saw Oswald in the lineup.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware at any time on the 22d of the concern expressed by Mr. J. Edgar Hoover in regard to the security of Oswald, and allegedly transmitted to the Dallas people?

Mr. Sorrels.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you become aware of that later?

Mr. Sorrels.

I do not recall ever having heard anything to that effect.

Mr. Hubert.

Even now you do not?

Mr. Sorrels.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know Jack Ruby at all?

Mr. Sorrels.

Not before this incident took place; no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not even know he existed?

Mr. Sorrels.

No, sir. As a matter of fact, when I first heard Oswald had been shot, I understood the name to be Jack Rubin, and in my first report to my headquarters office I gave them the name of Jack Rubin--R-u-b-i-n, an operator of a nightclub. That is the first information I got. I just misunderstood the pronunciation of the last word.

Mr. Hubert.

I think I have already asked this question in a general way--