(Testimony of Curtis L. Crafard Resumed)
Mr. Crafard.
I didn't know what her last name was, I couldn't say, but her first name was Gloria.
Mr. Griffin.
Where did she live?
Mr. Crafard.
It was either Oak Lawn, the Oak Lawn area, or the Oak Ridge area, I am not sure which.
Mr. Hubert.
Did she live alone or with someone?
Mr. Crafard.
As far as I knew, she was living alone.
Mr. Hubert.
Let me ask when you say something like that, do you mean you don't know or you have some reason to believe she was living alone?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't know, I will put it that way.
Mr. Hubert.
You really don't know?
Mr. Crafard.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
Because the way you put it, you see, you infer she is living alone, and if you really have no knowledge about it then you don't know.
Mr. Crafard.
Right.
Mr. Hubert.
She was the girl that you had breakfast with one morning at the Lucas B&B; isn't that correct?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
Mr. Griffin.
When, how long after you began to work for Jack Ruby, did you become aware that Gloria was somebody whom he saw from time to time?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe Gloria come to the club in answer to an ad, I am not sure. But I believe that is where, how, I met her, when she come to the club in answer to one of the ads we put in the paper.
Mr. Hubert.
Along those lines now, is it your impression that Ruby didn't know this girl Gloria prior to the time she answered an ad?
Mr. Crafard.
That is my impression, yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you remember when she came in?
Mr. Crafard.
No, I don't.
Mr. Hubert.
But your thought is that Ruby did not know her prior to the time that you went to work for Ruby?
Mr. Crafard.
That is what I understood.
Mr. Hubert.
When we say Gloria we are talking about this girl with the striped dress you have identified in Exhibits 5200-A, -B, -C, -D, and -E ; right?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
How many waitresses did Jack employ at any one time?
Mr. Crafard.
Counting the cocktail gifts, there were about six or seven gifts.
Mr. Griffin.
Now, of these six or seven girls did any of them--were any of them employed at the Carousel Club at the entire time you were there?
Mr. Crafard.
Most of them.
Mr. Griffin.
How many girls left his employ during the time you were there?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe there was two or three left his employ, not counting Jada, the stripper.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you remember which girls left his employ?
Mr. Crafard.
One I was with quite often there, we had meals together.
Mr. Griffin.
What was her name, again?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't remember her name. I believe there was one other one there. I would like to change one thing. The name you mentioned, the name of that girl, I never did remember the name, the name Gloria. She worked as a cocktail gift for 2 or 3 nights, and she never made anything at all, couldn't make enough money to buy cigarettes with, and she left.
Mr. Hubert.
The girl in Exhibit 5200-A, -B, -C, -D, and -E was Gloria, wasn't it?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
And she was there only 3 days?
Mr. Crafard.
She worked for him for 2 or 3 nights, and then she left. She couldn't even make enough money to buy cigarettes.
Mr. Hubert.
But then she continued to see him on a social basis?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Wherewas she working, do you know?
Mr. Crafard.
How is that?
Mr. Hubert.
After she left him where did she go to work?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't know.
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