Mr. Hubert.

Did they use you at the trial?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us roughly what the substance of your testimony was at the trial?

Mr. Crafard.

To the effect that I had took the pictures of the "Impeach Earl Warren" sign and to the effect that he had only planned on shipping one of his dogs to California.

Mr. Hubert.

That is all that was brought out?

Mr. Crafard.

That was about the main gist of my testimony.

Mr. Hubert.

You were a witness for the defense, I take it?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you subjected to any cross-examination?

Mr. Crafard.

I think there were two or three questions put to me on cross-examination.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you get to talk to Ruby then?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Eva?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And Andy Armstrong?

Mr. Crafard.

How is that?

Mr. Hubert.

Andy.

Mr. Crafard.

I saw him before--I don't believe I talked to him after I appeared on the witness stand.

Mr. Hubert.

He was the first one you contacted?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; he was the first one I saw.

Mr. Hubert.

In Dallas. Did you go over to the club?

Mr. Crafard.

No. I went to the courthouse.

Mr. Hubert.

And you saw him at the courthouse?

Mr. Crafard.

Andy saw me; I didn't see him. Andy saw me and he recognized me.

Mr. Hubert.

I see. Who else did you talk to while you were in Dallas on this last occasion?

Mr. Crafard.

I talked to the Grants, to the Rubys--the brothers and sisters.

Mr. Hubert.

What about?

Mr. Crafard.

I talked to them after the trial was over, after I had appeared on the witness stand.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't talk to them before?

Mr. Crafard.

No. I think I had saw Miss Grant one time, and at the time when I did Burleson was standing right beside me when I spoke to her, let her know I was there.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she know where you could be located?

Mr. Crafard.

She didn't know, but Burleson did. While I was in Dallas, you mean?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Crafard.

Burleson knew.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Crafard.

Burleson knew.

Mr. Hubert.

She didn't call you to locate you?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

How long were you in Dallas before you testified?

Mr. Crafard.

Let's see, I landed in Dallas on Sunday. I was in Dallas for about 4 days all together before I testified.

Mr. Hubert.

How long were you in Dallas before you contacted Burleson or met Burleson?

Mr. Crafard.

I arrived in Dallas Sunday, and I contacted Burleson Tuesday.

Mr. Hubert.

And you testified on Thursday?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you left on what day?

Mr. Crafard.

I think it was, I think I spent--let's see, I left Dallas the following Wednesday, I believe it was. I went toCalifornia where I stopped and visited a very good friend of the family's. I spent--I arrived there Thursday night about 2 o'clock in the morning. He had just got home from work, and