Mr. Hubert.

You did have a girl you went out with you used to meet at the Eatwell?

Mr. Crafard.

One of the girls who worked for Jack.

Mr. Griffin.

What was her name?

Mr. Crafard.

She went to work for him later, I can't even remember her name now. The only one of the bunch I can remember, there were three girls there roomed together, the only one I can remember is Norma, and I first got acquainted with her was over the telephone and we had quite a conversation, and we became rather friendly over the telephone and when we met we was fairly friendly.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she work for Jack?

Mr. Crafard.

No; Jack tried to get her to work as a stripper which he would do with every female, every nice looking girl, that he met. She would have nothing to do with it.

Mr. Hubert.

So you had this conversation with her on the telephone? Did you get to meet her?

Mr. Crafard.

I met her at the club; yes. I met her in person and then I got to know her fairly well. We was together several times.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean on private dates?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, it would be her and these other two girls. I was with the other girl mostly, and we would go over together and three of us sit together while we eat, and I would walk the girls home, something like that. They would come to the club and the club would close and I would walk this other girl home.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, there were two girls who worked for the club?

Mr. Crafard.

No; only one worked for the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Which one was that, it was not Norma?

Mr. Crafard.

Norma.

Mr. Hubert.

What was her name?

Mr. Crafard.

I can't remember that girl's name. I can't remember the girl's name. She was a woman of about 29 years old, she had a real nice personality and was a wonderful person to talk to, all it was, just nice person to talk to and relax and just have an enjoyable time away from the club.

Mr. Hubert.

That was the one who was the waitress?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir; she was a cocktail waitress at the club. I knew her and her one girl friend were from back east somewhere and I met Norma back at the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Had Norma ever worked for the club?

Mr. Crafard.

No. Jack was trying to get her to work for the club, was trying to get her to work as a stripper.

Mr. Griffin.

Is Norma the girl you dated or saw quite a bit of?

Mr. Crafard.

I saw her on two or three occasions before this other girl went to work for Jack.

Mr. Griffin.

And Norma is not a native of Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

She is a native of the Dallas area. Her home is about 20 miles north of Dallas, Carrollton, Tex.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever go out there?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I never went out there.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you know it was out there? How did you find out?

Mr. Crafard.

She give me her address, address and phone number.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have that in the book you maintained for Jack?

Mr. Crafard.

That was the reason for getting the phone and address. She called and inquired for a job, and I got her address and phone number which I do with all girls who come for a job.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you know Jack tried to get her to be a stripper?

Mr. Crafard.

He had her at the club on several occasions talking her into being a stripper. He got her a job with Ralph Paul and he give her clothes and he gave her money and I went over with her to one store where to buy clothes.

Mr. Griffin.

Jack bought her the clothes?

Mr. Crafard.

He give me the money to buy the clothes.

Mr. Hubert.

How much was the amount?