Mr. Griffin.

have one, that you felt you didn't need one. But if you do feel you would like a personal attorney, and many of the people who appear do have an attorney, that is perfectly proper, and in fact it is encouraged by the Commission. But I take it by your presence without an attorney, that you don't feel you want one at the present time.

Mrs. Cheek.

I don't think that I would need one. I don't know anything.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, I am not suggesting that you would, but I wanted you to be acquainted.

Mrs. Cheek.

I am not going to tell anything that is not the truth.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me say this to you, that the Commission has been set up for the purpose of investigating and evaluating and reporting back to President Johnson about the assassination of President Kennedy, and about the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. We are interested in finding out from you, in particular, anything you might know in connection with any one of these events.
Of course you have been interviewed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation so that that is somewhat of a starting point for us. I have had a chance to read over the reports and I know generally what they have talked to you about. I will ask you if you have any questions of us before I ask you to be sworn, and then we can start the deposition.

Mrs. Cheek.

I don't have any questions. You just ask me, and I will answer whatever I know.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mrs. Cheek.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you give us your name.

Mrs. Cheek.

Bertha Cheek.

Mr. Griffin.

Where do you live, Mrs. Cheek?

Mrs. Cheek.

5901 Hillcrest.

Mr. Griffin.

It is Mrs. Cheek?

Mrs. Cheek.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What is your husband's name?

Mrs. Cheek.

I am divorced. Lloyd Cheek.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you been divorced from Mr. Cheek?

Mrs. Cheek.

Approximately 1955 or approximately 1956, I can't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

I hate to ask this question of a lady, but when were you born?

Mrs. Cheek.

February 9, 1920.

Mr. Griffin.

The address you gave us is in Dallas?

Mrs. Cheek.

5901 Hillcrest, Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you lived in Dallas?

Mrs. Cheek.

About 16 or 17 years.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you live before you lived in Dallas?

Mrs. Cheek.

I was born in Troup, Tex., and I was raised in Tyler, and I moved to Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

Now since you have lived in Dallas, have you met Jack Ruby?

Mrs. Cheek.

I met him on two occasions.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you first happen to meet Jack?

Mrs. Cheek.

He called me to invest in a nightclub.

Mr. Griffin.

When was that?

Mrs. Cheek.

Oh, sometime in November, the latter part of November, I think it was.

Mr. Griffin.

The first time?

Mrs. Cheek.

The first time I don't remember. 3ust what year it might have been, could have been 1957 or 1958, I don't know. Whenever he was over here in the Carousel, and he was trying to sell half of it, and I talked to him about it.

Mr. Griffin.

He owned the Carousel at the time he called you the first time?

Mrs. Cheek.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he want to sell you half of the Carousel?

Mrs. Cheek.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you invested in any nightclubs before?

Mrs. Cheek.

No; but I am in the real estate business, and I invest in properties all the time.