Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Would it have been when Wally Weston was there?

Mr. Armstrong.

It was when Wally Weston was there.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he come after that?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

But not as often?

Mr. Armstrong.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever hear of Ruby and him discussing anything?
Mr. ARMSTRONG, YEs, I guess, business.

Mr. Hubert.

What was that?

Mr. Armstrong.

They were discussing business.

Mr. Hubert.

They were discussing business?

Mr. Armstrong.

Jack was always discussing some kind of business with somebody--he always had some kind of idea about another club or another kind of business.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what kind of business he was discussing with the man you have named as Mike Ryan?

Mr. Armstrong.

A private club.

Mr. Hubert.

You heard such a conversation?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean another private club in addition to the Carousel?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, the Carousel wasn't a private club.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, I see; so in other words, the thought was to open a private club?

Mr. Armstrong.

Just talk though.

Mr. Hubert.

And talk is all you would know about?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes. I mean--it was just one of Jack's wild ideas, that's all.

Mr. Hubert.

Why do you characterize it as a wild idea?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, he always had these ideas---it was something this day and something the next day.

Mr. Hubert.

But the only reason you are saying this was a wild idea is because you are thinking it was like some of his other wild idea?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

But other than that you don't know whether it was a wild idea or not?

Mr. Armstrong.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know of any other business between Ryan and Ruby?

Mr. Armstrong.

No; no more.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they go out socially?

Mr. Armstrong.

Not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you seen Ryan since the assassination?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, he came up to the club a couple of times and I saw him the day he left for California, at least that's where he told me he was going.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that?

Mr. Armstrong.

It must have been around the first of December.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean it was right after Oswald was shot?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You haven't seen him since?

Mr. Armstrong.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you what business he had in California?

Mr. Armstrong.

No, he didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

How many times after Oswald was shot do you suppose you saw Ryan in the Carousel?

Mr. Armstrong.

A couple of times, oh, two or three times.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he talk to you about Ruby and what had happened?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes; no more than anybody else did. He said, everybody would always ask me, "What's wrong with your boss?" And he said the same thing.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know a man by the name of Tommy, who used to go out with Joy Dale, kind of a boy friend of hers?